Election 2015

[Edward Campbell]

People have to really think about what message they are sending.  Many think that they are only sending a message of disapproval to the PC's in this case, not thinking that at the same time they have sent a message of approval to the NDP -- Boils down to a "Half-baked" thought.

That's why I will say, over and over again ...

... Tell me, honestly, all of you who are fed up with Stephen Harper:[size=14pt] do you really want Justin Trudeau in 24 Sussex Drive?[/size]

...

I know a lot of people have had more of Prime Minister Harper than they can stand ... but I ask you: who is the better choice, for Canada, Thomas Mulcair? Justin Trudeau? or Stephen Harper?

If you can, honestly, based on an analysis of his policies and his abilities and his record, say Justin Trudeau then I say, "fine, good, go ahead and vote for him," but I will disagree, profoundly, with your analysis ... I will suggest (and understand) that you are voting against Prime Minister Harper, not for anything, especially not for Canada.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I may vote CPC this election, but I won't volunteer or donate, which is a clear way of saying that I am unhappy. As a gun owner I get scapegoated by the Libs and NDP, as Public Servant I get scapegoated by CPC, there is no win for me, just less losing. I wish for a minority CPC government which would keep everyone from being outright stupid. 

 

[GAP]

I wish for a minority CPC government which would keep everyone from being outright stupid. 

Yeah, but most legislation is watered down and largely ineffective because of pacifying the opposition.....just get a majority, go to it, and if we don't like it, vote the rascals out....

 

[George Wallace]

......... I wish for a minority CPC government which would keep everyone from being outright stupid.

Not asking for much are you?    >

 

[Edward Campbell]

Yeah, but most legislation is watered down and largely ineffective because of pacifying the opposition.....just get a majority, go to it, and if we don't like it, vote the rascals out....

I agree ... but that means you have to vote for something (or someone), for a suite of policies which are, on balance, preferable to what the others offer or, even just for a specific leader if you are convinced that the leader rules everything (not a bad assumption in Canadian governments since Pierre Trudeau, although, as I mentioned elsewhere that's not the case in e.g. the UK nor was it the case under St Laurent, Diefenbaker and Pearson).

Everything in a minority government is a compromise, usually a wasteful compromise; I would rather Prime Minister Mulcair with an NDP majority than Prime Minister Harper depending on Liberal (Trudeau) support for his legislative programme ~ at least I would know who to blame.

 

[Jed]

I may vote CPC this election, but I won't volunteer or donate, which is a clear way of saying that I am unhappy. As a gun owner I get scapegoated by the Libs and NDP, as Public Servant I get scapegoated by CPC, there is no win for me, just less losing. I wish for a minority CPC government which would keep everyone from being outright stupid.

You read my mind.

 

[Kilo_302]

I can't for the life of me understand how anyone who is opposed to greater government meddling in our lives would ever consider voting for either the Liberals or the Conservatives in this election. Those parties' support for C-51, a bill which every editorial board in every newspaper in Canada, just about every legal specialist and every political scientist has declared as being dangerous, illegal and in the end ineffective, shows them to be fundamentally opposed to democracy.

I'm no fan of the NDP, but they're the only option here if we actually care about the democratic process in Canada. History has shown us that when we give the government the tools to suppress political dissent (as this bill does) they will use them. And future governments will too. Once in place, it's hard to remove a security apparatus like this. And let's be frank, Islamic fundamentalism poses little to no threat to Canada.

 

[jollyjacktar]

And just what makes you think I want to see protesters running around in the streets instead?  I'm not interested in seeing either franchise getting the go ahead.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

And let's be frank, Islamic fundamentalism poses little to no threat to Canada.

So now you're a security expert too?

So yeah, let's be frank. You know nothing of the sort.

 

[Kilo_302]

So now you're a security expert too?

So yeah, let's be frank. You know nothing of the sort.

Stats don't lie. Terror isn't even a significant threat to US citizens, never mind Canada. Do some recce on "google" or something.

 

[ballz]

And just what makes you think I want to see protesters running around in the streets instead?

The day we don't, I'll know its time to leave in a big hurry...

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Stats don't lie.

You really are a special kind of something aren't you??

 

[Kirkhill]

Stats don't lie.

Ahhhh Maaaazzziiinngg !!! Whodafunkit?

 

[jollyjacktar]

The day we don't, I'll know its time to leave in a big hurry...

Don't mind?  Or don't want to see it not allowed?  I'm not clear on what you mean, sorry.

 

[Loachman]

Islamic fundamentalism poses little to no threat to Canada.

Neither did Nazism to begin with, and look what it took to clean that mess up once people finally woke up.

Those who fail to learn from history...

 

[Good2Golf]

Stats don't lie. Terror isn't even a significant threat to US citizens, never mind Canada. Do some recce on "google" or something.

???

To quote Lord Benjamin Disraeli, Earl of Beaconsfield, in 1985: "There are three degrees of veracity; lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

[George Wallace]

yada, yada, yada........ And let's be frank, Islamic fundamentalism poses little to no threat to Canada.

Stats don't lie. Terror isn't even a significant threat to US citizens, never mind Canada. Do some recce on "google" or something.

LOL!  It must be great to live in ignorant bliss. 

Oh well, some of us know better.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Stats don't lie. Terror isn't even a significant threat to US citizens, never mind Canada. Do some recce on "google" or something.

I doubt you'll get the families of the 9-11 and Boston marathon victims  to agree.

But you carry on with your alter universe fantasies. At least you're amusing sometimes.

 

[Brad Sallows]

The NDP is against C-51.  Big deal.  The NDP is also not the party in government, and therefore also not privy to all of the information the government has.

Thought experiment: if the NDP were the government, would the NDP take a different position?

If you think not, observe what is happening across the border: President Obama, no right-wing security fanatic he, is asking for Patriot Act eavesdropping provisions to essentially be renewed as they stand.

 

[George Wallace]

So far, as I see it, C-51 has no real affect on 'honest folk' who abide by the Law.  I wonder why those who oppose C-51 are so vocal?  What do they have to hide?  Do they have criminal pasts, current criminal activities, or future criminal intentions?  What kind of skeletons are they hiding in their closets?