Thucydides said:Sounds like the setup to a civil war inside the Liberal Party.
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CANADIAN POLITICS AND ELECTORAL PROJECTIONS
April 20, 2011 Projection - Conservative Minority Government
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 20, 2011
Parties hold firm
With only today's Nanos poll to add to the projection, there hasn't been much change. In fact, there has been virtually no change at the national level. But a few new seats are getting close to the tipping point.
The Conservatives and Liberals are unchanged at 38.7% and 28%, respectively, while they are still projected to win 147 and 80 seats. The New Democrats are up a tiny 0.1 point to 17.9%, and remain at 35 seats. The Bloc Québécois and Greens are unchanged as well, at 8.6% and 5.8% respectively. The Bloc is also projected to win 45 seats.
Regionally there have been a few more changes. The Conservatives were stable in most parts of the country, but also gained 1.1 points in the Prairies. They are now at 51.7% in Saskatchewan and Manitoba, better than their 2008 performance.
The Liberals dropped 0.3 points at both ends of the country, but continued their slow, incremental progression in Ontario. They now stand at 35.5% there.
The New Democrats had more movement, with gains of 0.3 points in British Columbia and Alberta, and gains of 0.2 points and 0.7 points in Ontario and Atlantic Canada, respectively.
None of this has resulted in any seat changes, however. But a few seats that have not changed hands so far in the campaign in the projection are getting close.
The Liberals are within one point of the leader in three ridings: Vaughan (46.1% Conservative to 45.2% Liberal), Brome - Missisquoi (31.1% Bloc to 30.7% Liberal), and Saint John (43% Conservative to 42.3% Liberal).
The New Democrats, meanwhile, are within one point of the leading party in one riding: Vancouver - Kingsway (35.2% Liberal to 34.4% NDP).
But things are still fluid, as the Conservatives are also still very close in some of the ridings that have recently switched over, like Brampton - Springdale, Kitchener - Waterloo, and Sault Ste. Marie. Depending on how the polls move in the next few days, we could see the Tories back over 150 or below 143, the amount of seats they held when the election was called.
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E.R. Campbell said:That "civil war" has been raging for over 40 years, ever since Trudeau arrived on the scene.
There was a small 'civil war' in 1949/50 when St Laurent, who took office in late '48, upended King's timid, tentative, isolationist foreign policy (if "policy" is the right word) and imposed his own view of Canada in the world.
But Trudeau really tore the Liberal apart: first, he repudiated everything for which St Laurent and Pearson had stood; and second, he championed social and economic policies that had never, ever been in the Liberal mainstream. John Turner kept the traditional (Pearson, St Laurent and back) flag flying within the party in the 1970s and '80s. Jean Chrétien was a Trudeauite, but, in his gut, a fiscal conservative; he pushed Turner, et al aside. Paul Martin was a St Laurent-Pearson-Turner Liberal and the battles between the Chrétienistas and the Martinis were the stuff of legend.
What's coming next? Who will carry the St Laurent-Pearson-Turner-Martin banner and who will drink the Trudeau-Chrétien kool-aid? Is there any room for the Manley Liberals in the 21st century?
GAP said:huh? That's your reasoning behind voting? :
S.M.A. said:That's not my reason for voting. And I don't have to explain my reason for doing so.
Old Sweat said:This story by Jane Taber in today's Globe and Mail raises an interesting possibility. It is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provision of the Copyright Act.
Faring well from B.C. to Ontario, Harper faces ‘fault line’ in Quebec
Jane Taber
Ottawa— Globe and Mail Update
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:34AM EDT
A new scenario is emerging that could see Stephen Harper’s Conservatives lead a government in which the Ottawa River is the political dividing line. They’re ahead in every region west of there but are tied in Atlantic Canada and faring poorly in Quebec, according to the latest Nanos Research poll.
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S.M.A. said:Having recently read Granatstein's Who Killed the Canadian Military? for a grad. level Canadian foreign policy class, I was appalled to read that Trudeau once told Bill Lee, a former RCAF Wing Commander that "Why would would a guy as smart as you waste his time in the military?" (116, Granatstein)
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LEE, William Maurice (Bill) The Lee family sadly announces that Bill passed away peacefully on Friday, March 18, 2011, in Ottawa after having lived 86 years to the fullest. He was born in Hamilton, ON, on June 14, 1924. Bill had three highly successful careers: the military, politics and business. He was a bon-vivant and a brilliant character with a few eccentricities. A life-long Hamilton Tiger-Cats fan, he was famous for his "boyish good looks"; daily summer attire almost exclusively of white sport shirts and white terry-cloth shorts; great family BBQs; his generosity to friends and family; and his taste for good wines and single-malt Scotches. In the RCAF during WWII, Bill was a navigator with RAF Ferry Command and flew countless times across the Atlantic and in Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, India and Australia. After WWII, Bill was the RCAF public relations officer at Trenton, then head of RCAF (Europe) public relations in Metz, France, and later the head of RCAF public relations in Ottawa. He was seconded to lead communications for the Royal Tour of Prince Philip and the Canadian tour of US President and Mrs. John F. Kennedy. Bill retired from the RCAF as a Group Captain (Colonel) at 39 years of age to become Executive Assistant to Defence Minister Paul Hellyer. He managed Mr. Hellyer's campaign for the Liberal Party leadership and, when Pierre Trudeau won, he managed Prime Minister Trudeau's successful election campaign tour of 1968, and was a force behind "Trudeau-mania". Don Peacock, in his book "Journey to Power", called Bill "one of the most skilled and professional political organizers in Canada." Judy LaMarshe, in her book "Memoires of a Bird in a Guilded Cage", called Bill "the best of the back-room boys." Peter Dempson, in his book "Assignment Ottawa", referred to Bill as "a boyish-looking man with a keen mind and a quick wit". Martin Sullivan, in his book "Mandate '68", called Bill "a man of great charm and awesome efficiency." Greg Weston, in his book "Reign of Error", described him as "a veteran political analyst … who knew more names and faces in the powerhouse backrooms of the capital than most who occupied elected office." Bill founded, with William (Bill) Neville, Executive Consultants Limited, the first (and highly successful) government-relations company in Ottawa. He was founding Vice-chairman of the Public Policy Forum. . . . . .
Minority or not, Harper sees no point in compromise
JOHN IBBITSON
Rivière-du-Loup, Que.— Globe and Mail Update
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
Stephen Harper has no plans to compromise on his next Throne Speech or his next budget if he wins only a minority government, because he believes it wouldn’t matter.
The Conservative Leader insists that, unless his party receives a majority of parliamentary seats in the federal election May 2, Michael Ignatieff will force his defeat and become prime minister.
The question of who would govern in the 41st Parliament if no party has a majority of seats is threatening to overwhelm this election, after the Liberal Leader said Tuesday he would be prepared to form a government if the Conservatives won the most seats but were defeated on their Throne Speech.
The obvious next question is whether Mr. Harper would be willing to temper that Throne Speech and compromise on the budget to secure opposition-party support.
But Mr. Harper was having none of it.
“I don’t accept the [premise of the] question,” Mr. Harper replied, when asked by a reporter if he would be prepared to compromise to stay alive.
The other parties “are saying that even if we receive a mandate from the people they will defeat us on our budget if they can,” he maintained. “They will get together and form another alternative, of some other kind of government.”
All three opposition parties said in March they couldn’t approve Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s budget because it continued with reducing corporate taxes and spent money on things they opposed while not spending enough on things they supported.
But the Conservatives have vowed to reintroduce that budget if re-elected – indeed, it forms the core of their election platform.
It would be reasonable to ask whether that budget could be modified to assuage opposition concerns so that a third minority Conservative government could survive, avoiding a possible political crisis that could lead to a fifth general election in seven years.
But Mr. Harper was clear Wednesday that he was unwilling to compromise because compromise would, he believed, prove fruitless.
“If you listen to what the others are saying, they will defeat us,” he insisted. “They’re just saying they’re going to defeat us. And [Mr. Ignatieff] will then sit down with the NDP and Bloc Québécois to negotiate a different government. ... This is not an abstract constitutional debate; this is a very real choice facing the voters.”
For his part, Jack Layton says his number one goal is to defeat Mr. Harper and his Conservatives but he is willing to work with other parties in the event of a minority government – including one led by Mr. Harper.
“I’ve done it a thousand times,” the NDP Leader said Wednesday while campaigning on a farm in Southwestern Ontario. “Well, not a thousand. It sometimes feels like a thousand – he keeps saying ‘we don’t agree, we don’t agree.’”
But nonetheless, Mr. Layton said he is always prepared to work with other parties. “I have shown that in my 30 years in politics. And I think that’s what Canadians want.”
Mr. Harper, however, has clearly abandoned any hope of a fall-back position, in the event his bid for a majority government fails. Knowing that most Canadians reject the idea of a party that comes in second in an election forming government, he is doing everything in his power to convince voters to prevent that by giving him a majority.
If the electoral result is ambiguous on May 2, anything might actually be possible. But for the last 12 days of this campaign, for Mr. Harper, it’s majority or bust.
With a report from Gloria Galloway
Unanswered questions from November 2008 and some from today.
October 14th 2008: Canada holds a federal election resulting in a conservative minority government.
November 19th 2008: The Speech from the Throne.
November 27th 2008: The Government releases its economic update
November 29th 2008: The NDP hold a conference call telling their MPs about the secret coalition talks with the Liberals and Bloc.
In the taped conversation (highlights below in video, with complete version available here. pt1 and pt 2) Jack Layton speaks about the secret negotiations with the Liberals and the Bloc on a coalition and the NDP role. Calling it a "catalytic role actually" and bragging about how the NDP were the "glue" for all of this and how they had "prepared for the opportunity" and because they had made those preparations early they were ready when an opportunity came up.
Of note are the following quotes from Jack Layton:
"This whole thing would not have happened if the moves hadn't been made with the Bloc to lock them in early." "The first part was done a long time ago, um I won't go into details."
To my knowledge Jack Layton has NEVER stated exactly when those negotiations with the Bloc first started and I am unsure if he was even specifically asked that question by our MSM at any time since Nov 2008. Thomas Mulcair at the time stated that his party started talking with the Bloc only after the government's Nov. 19 Throne Speech, but if you listen to Layton's words it seems clear that these negotiations had begun more than just one week (The first part was done a long time ago) before this conference call occurred and for all we know the talks could have started 1 month earlier during the election campaign itself.
So here we are 2 1/2 yrs later and in another election campaign where the MSM are following the leaders across the country and covering their every word. Isn't it about time that they asked Jack Layton to come clean on the 2008 negotiation time-line details and more importantly ask ALL of the leaders if ANY such negotiations ( by anyone within their respective parties) have occurred recently or are occurring at this time?
The MSM blew it on their coverage in 2008. Will they do the same thing in 2011?
Do your job and ask the damn questions that Canadians want to know about!