CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora

[dapaterson]

It's not sole source - it's competitive with only one potential source of supply.

Sole source would be looking for a car and going straight to Subaru despite there being other options available in the marketplace.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Political unwillingness to sole-source anything?

Transparency is a hallmark of this government with defence spending. It's just not a hallmark of the rest of their portfolios.

In all seriousness, I think PSPC would do well to start acting sensibly and using that Operational Necessity clause for a lot of platforms we're short on. Just because Canadian Industry "could" provide a bid, doesn't mean it can provide it in a suitable timeline and without cutting corners.

 

[GK .Dundas]

So. The US, Kiwis, Aussies, Brits and Norwegians are all “getting it wrong”? And India? Germany?

Where are you getting 30 year procurement and 5-10 lifespan from?

So how many many more years can we keep the CP 140 s flying ?

 

[kev994]

So how many many more years can we keep the CP 140 s flying ?

About a million years if we burn enough cash on it.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

About a million years if we burn enough cash on it.

Look at DC-3s. They will essentially fly until there are no more dinosaurs left to burn in their engines. Even then, some bright spark will figure out electric engines…

 

[Eye In The Sky]

So how many many more years can we keep the CP 140 s flying

Lots, just like we could still be flying upgraded Argus’s.

But - you didn’t answer my question.

 

[kev994]

Edit: Proven, flying airframe that meets our range/endurance requirements. C-295 ASW won't cut it.

Apparently they can just make up range/endurance numbers until it works.

 

[Weinie]

Didn't the Army try a Multi-Mission Vehicle?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

This is just renaming what we do in LRP to a more Modern name. I just hope we don’t call ourselves 4xx MM Sqn.

Personally I’d love to go back to VP Sqns…

 

[SeaKingTacco]

This is just renaming what we do in LRP to a more Modern name. I just hope we don’t call ourselves 4xx MM Sqn.

Personally I’d love to go back to VP Sqns…

…and it is HS, not MH, dammitt.

Now, get off my lawn…

 

[GK .Dundas]

Lots, just like we could still be flying upgraded Argus’s.

But - you didn’t answer my question.

Ok my fear is we are going to end up with.another SeaKing replacement programme. Or God help us even longer.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Ok my fear is we are going to end up with.another SeaKing replacement programme. Or God help us even longer

Except the P-8s are rolling out nicely.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Except the P-8s are rolling out nicely.

Until we "Canadianize" it, either in specificstion or procurement requirements.

The Iveco M40 wasa good piece of kit... until we canadianized it.

Same goes for the 2 orphan helicopters out on the coasts.

 

[suffolkowner]

Except the P-8s are rolling out nicely.

and the Kingfisher is looking more like the Cyclone. I read the comments more along the lines if it takes our usual 30 years to make a decision on a replacement we'll have 10 years running them before everyone else has replaced them

 

[Spencer100]

Silly rabbit….

No Bombardier any more with the Q800 or now back to being called the Dash 8.

Maybe a Global with hard points?

 

[MilEME09]

Maybe we should talk to the Japanese? Mitsubishi heavy industries did buy the CRJ off Bombardier, and have a large foot print in Ontario.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Until we "Canadianize" it, either in specificstion or procurement requirements.

The Iveco M40 wasa good piece of kit... until we canadianized it.

Same goes for the 2 orphan helicopters out on the coasts.

I don’t think every country is using the exact USN version.

But yes, we could take something that is working and f&&k with it.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Maybe we should talk to the Japanese? Mitsubishi heavy industries did buy the CRJ off Bombardier, and have a large foot print in Ontario.

To turn the CRJ into an MPA? No thanks.

Or…for the P-1?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

No Bombardier any more with the Q800 or now back to being called the Dash 8.

Maybe a Global with hard points?

Nothing with only hard points. There is a valid requirement for a bombbay.

 

[MilEME09]

To turn the CRJ into an MPA? No thanks.

Or…for the P-1?

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