CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora

[Eye In The Sky]

Figure it’s worth starting a separate thread.

Boeing Teams with Canadian Industry to Offer P-8A Poseidon - Seapower

OTTAWA, Ontario — Boeing and several Canadian industry partners announced June 1 their intent to collaborate to provide the capability and sustainability of the proven P-8A Poseidon for the Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft requirement. Team Poseidon, consisting of CAE, GE Aviation...

seapowermagazine.org

 

[GK .Dundas]

Oh goodie, another thirty year procurement programme for an aircraft that may only have a five to ten year lifespan. Buckle up kids, it's about to get interesting... again.

 

[dimsum]

Oh goodie, another thirty year procurement programme for an aircraft that may only have a five to ten year lifespan. Buckle up kids, it's about to get interesting... again.

Or we can go full RAF and get rid of the capability.

Ask them how well that turned out.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Or we can go full RAF and get rid of the capability.

Ask them how well that turned out.

So well that they are scrambling to buy P-8s and relearn ASW.

Of course, we would probably just learn to do without…

 

[Good2Golf]

I think that Uncle Sam’s strong arm (sharp tongue) will result in us joining Team Poseidon like the other four of the FVEYs.

 

[dimsum]

I think that Uncle Sam’s strong arm (sharp tongue) will result in us joining Team Poseidon like the other four of the FVEYs.

I think that the fact that there is no other proven flying airframe would push us that way.

Yes, the P-1 exists. Is Japan allowed to sell it?

Edit: Proven, flying airframe that meets our range/endurance requirements. C-295 ASW won't cut it.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I think that the fact that there is no other proven flying airframe would push us that way.

Yes, the P-1 exists. Is Japan allowed to sell it?

Edit: Proven, flying airframe that meets our range/endurance requirements. C-295 ASW won't cut it.

Nor will the Q-400…

 

[dimsum]

Nor will the Q-400…

My first question to DH and Bombardier would be "so, how do you plan on carrying torpedoes?"

 

[SeaKingTacco]

My first question to DH and Bombardier would be "so, how do you plan on carrying torpedoes?"

Silly rabbit….

 

[Good2Golf]

That would be another ‘decent’ platform, but hard to argue the “Do what the other four of the FVEYs are doing” logic.

 

[armrdsoul77]

Any Nimrods still whole? They'd be dirt cheap...

 

[MarkOttawa]

I think that Uncle Sam’s strong arm (sharp tongue) will result in us joining Team Poseidon like the other four of the FVEYs.

Plus Norway and Germany and India.

 

[FJAG]

I'm just an Army guy but with 150 of these already in service, many with our key allies, and on a 737 airframe that bloody WestJet could maintain for us in a pinch - really - what's there to think about?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Any Nimrods still whole? They'd be dirt cheap...

just museum examples.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

So well that they are scrambling to buy P-8s and relearn ASW.

They’ve got a handful of them and are operational now.

They were smart enough to run the Seedcorn program after the Nimrods were scrapped. We had more than a few on them on Sqn(s) with the SGOD.

Of course, we would probably just learn to do without…

You never know…

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Oh goodie, another thirty year procurement programme for an aircraft that may only have a five to ten year lifespan. Buckle up kids, it's about to get interesting... again.

So. The US, Kiwis, Aussies, Brits and Norwegians are all “getting it wrong”? And India? Germany?

Where are you getting 30 year procurement and 5-10 lifespan from?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Or we can go full RAF and get rid of the capability.

Ask them how well that turned out.

I seem to remember getting some free trips to Scotland to play in their AO after they let their fleet go…

 

[Eye In The Sky]

My first question to DH and Bombardier would be "so, how do you plan on carrying torpedoes?"

There was a discussion about that… in the 140
Thread a month or so ago IIRC?

*edit not the 140 thread…

Boeing to offer P-8 as CP-140 Replacement

You're just worried that the RCAF will discover that ACSOs aren't necessary, and you'll have to make your own coffee. I’m scared we will either (1) buy some Aussie or Kiwi “gently used” P-3s, or the new airframe will have a Fisher Price sticker on it…😐 But…I’m 51. Even if they move CRA to...

army.ca

The Q400 might the only runner on the prop side. As much as I always say we should look at the Sea Herc…

 

[Edward Campbell]

I think that Uncle Sam’s strong arm (sharp tongue) will result in us joining Team Poseidon like the other four of the FVEYs.

Agreed! I suspect this meeting was a bit one-sided. It wasn't just the GOB* who was/is frustrated with Canada's constant freeloading and, especially, with Prime Minister Trudeau's hypocrisy.
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*GOB: Great Orange Buffoon

 

[dimsum]

I'm just an Army guy but with 150 of these already in service, many with our key allies, and on a 737 airframe that bloody WestJet could maintain for us in a pinch - really - what's there to think about?

Political unwillingness to sole-source anything?