Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread

[MarkOttawa]

Start of a post:

“Joint Statement from the UK, Australia, Canada, and United States on Hong Kong”, plus Terry Glavin (and Jonathan Manthorpe)

Further to this post,

Dragon vs Hong Kong Cartoon of the Day, plus Globe and Mail’s Editorial

I’m glad PM Trudeau’s government saw its way to agreeing with this sharpish text...
https://mark3ds.wordpress.com/2020/05/28/joint-statement-from-the-uk-australia-canada-and-united-states-on-hong-kong-plus-terry-glavin/

Mark
Ottawa

 

[MilEME09]

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/xi-jinping-to-chinese-military-prepare-for-worst-case-scenarios-2235615?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

China ramps up the rhetoric as tensions increase with India and the US.

 

[MarkOttawa]

Start of a post:

China vs India, or, the Himalayan Military Cockpit, Ladakh Section

This all just keeps going on–first a post from 2016:

The Himalayan Military Cockpit, Indian Tanks to Ladakh Near China Section

Now the current confrontation, from Foreign Policy’s “South Asia Brief” by Ravi Agrawal (tweets here):

Why India and China Are Sparring
...

https://mark3ds.wordpress.com/2020/05/29/china-vs-india-or-the-himalayan-military-cockpit-ladakh-section/

Mark
Ottawa

 

[MarkOttawa]

Further to above, this from Defense One's "D-Brief" on Trump and India, crazy (further links at original):

President Trump says he’ll talk about China today (May 29) in a press conference at the White House. He seemed to suggest multiple times this week that he’s intrigued by China’s border dispute with India in the Himalaya mountains that we mentioned (via Reuters) three days ago. About that flashpoint, The Economist reported Thursday [May 28], “Chinese troops have crossed the undefined border with India at several points, some reportedly penetrating 3-4km over punishing terrain. They are said to have destroyed Indian posts and bridges, and dug in with tents and trenches.”

And today, “a detailed analysis of satellite images has shown extensive deployment of towed artillery and mechanised elements on the Chinese side, bringing Indian deployments within striking distance,” according to The Indian Express.

SecDef Esper spoke to his Indian counterpart, Rajnath Singh, today by phone, the Pentagon said in a statement today.

Tweeted Trump Wednesday morning: “We have informed both India and China that the United States is ready, willing and able to mediate or arbitrate their now raging border dispute. Thank you!”

Said Trump to reporters Thursday at the White House: “I can tell you, I did speak to [Indian] Prime Minister [Narenda] Modi. He’s not – he’s not in a good mood about what’s going on with China.”

However, India’s The Hindu newspaper reports today from New Delhi, “There has been no recent contact between PM Modi and President Trump [emphasis added]. The last conversation between them was on 4 April 2020 on the subject of Hydroxychloroquine,” according to government officials reportedly “taken by surprise by the U.S. President’s comments.”

And in response to that Wednesday tweet, India’s Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Anurag Srivastava said that India and China were already “engaged with the Chinese side to peacefully resolve the issue.”

China’s foreign ministry said today there’s “no need for a third party in [that] border dispute with India,” Reuters reports from Beijing...
https://www.defenseone.com/news/2020/05/the-d-brief-may-29-2020/165750/

Mark
Ottawa

 

[FJAG]

Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their next-generation 5G networks

All 3 major telecom companies in Canada will use European suppliers for 5G, in snub to Huawei
Pete Evans · CBC News · Posted: Jun 02, 2020

BCE Inc. and Telus Corp. will both use equipment from Scandinavian component makers Nokia and Ericsson to build out their next-generation 5G networks in Canada.

BCE, the parent company of Bell, said Tuesday morning it will partner with Swedish telecommunications equipment maker Ericsson to build out its next generation wireless network, known as 5G.

That makes Ericsson just the second company that Bell will allow on its network, along with Finnish supplier Nokia, which Bell announced it would work with in February in its quarterly earnings release
...
Rogers has had a long-standing partnership with Ericsson on its existing wireless networks, and announced in 2018 that it would use Ericsson equipment for its 5G network, which it started to roll out in Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa and Montreal earlier this year.

See whole article here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bce-5g-ericsson-1.5594601

:cheers:

 

[Good2Golf]

Good to see that at least commercial business has some common sense when it comes to not pandering to the Chicoms. :nod:

 

[SeaKingTacco]

That is a nice break for the Liberals. Now they don’t have to make a decision.

 

[FJAG]

That is a nice break for the Liberals. Now they don’t have to make a decision.

The Liberals have two out of three covered. They're good at making no decisions and bad decisions. Now if only we could fine tune them into making good decisions ...

;D

 

[YZT580]

That is a nice break for the Liberals. Now they don’t have to make a decision.

They aren't off the hook that easily.  If China believes that the government can dictate the appropriate decision to the courts, and they do, they will definitely not believe that Canada can't tell private business where to look for suppliers and will rail against Ottawa  as a result.  Eventually Trudeau and company are going to have to take a stand. 

 

[MilEME09]

That is a nice break for the Liberals. Now they don’t have to make a decision.

Or maybe they did? Don't need to announce a public position and incur china's wraith if private companies are pushed to not pick them any way.

 

[Brad Sallows]

The telcos and the federal government are not on particularly good terms.  The three major political parties all stand behind some variation of policies that require the major telcos to provide cheaper plans, and to pay more at spectrum auctions.  I doubt the telcos would do anything to give the federal government - regardless of party - any breaks dealing with the Chinese government.

 

[MarkOttawa]

Start and end of a post based on an extensive article in the Globe and Mail:

Huawei/5G: Canadian Telcos Taking some Action while PM Trudeau’s Government Won’t

Further to this post,

   

British Tories really Hardening vs the PRC and Huawei

now even some of our leading companies are waking up to a considerable extent and smelling the Chicom Maotai while the Liberals continue their endless dithering. No doubt hoping those telcos will take decisions the government desperately does not want to, in order not to offend the PRC:

   

BCE, Telus pick European suppliers for 5G network gear, leaving Huawei role unclear
...

Plus a story very relevant to the US legal case vs Meng Wanzhou:

   

Exclusive: Huawei hid business operation in Iran after Reuters reported links to CFO

...
https://mark3ds.wordpress.com/2020/06/03/huawei-5g-canadian-telcos-taking-some-action-while-pm-trudeaus-government-wont/

 

[Weinie]

That is a nice break for the Liberals. Now they don’t have to make a decision.

Suspect there was significant economic pressure from south of the border. Canadian telecoms still rely on their US counterparts for a lot of their parts, and the US was not going Huawei way. Do agree that it gets the current government out of a particular bind, but also now exacerbates other CCP perceived slights from Canada. Watch this space op:

 

[Kat Stevens]

http://portalextras.com/up/1292490/china-to-send-10-000-riot-control-experts-to-us-and-canada-as-advisors-68020

 

[Weinie]

http://portalextras.com/up/1292490/china-to-send-10-000-riot-control-experts-to-us-and-canada-as-advisors-68020

:rofl:

 

[Weinie]

For thought:

Xi Jinping will be ousted as leader of the CCP within the next 18-24 months. A combination of U.S, SE Asian, and European economic and political pushback, initiated by covid-19 but reflecting a (finally) serious re-assessment of the degree of influence/economic control that China has amassed (that we willingly acceded to in return for economic gain), will galvanize the CCP to act, realizing that Xi pulled the trigger on the "long game" about 20 years too early.

Have marked my calendar. Will bet beers

 

[MarkOttawa]

On ne peut qu'espérer.

Mark
Ottawa

 

[Weinie]

On ne peut qu'espérer.

Mark
Ottawa

Mark,

Will meet you anywhere in Ottawa, and pay for the first beer, in celebration.

 

[MarkOttawa]

You're on.

Mark
Ottawa

 

[GR66]

Sadly, events in the US are making it easier for China to claim a double standard when Western nations criticize them for their treatment of protesters as noted on the BBC website:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52912241