Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ
- Thread starter jmt18325
- Start date
- Reaction score
- 5,938
- Points
- 1,090
CSC has completed the initial design review and has a few years to go before they get to the final design review. Given that the engineering side for the most part is identical to the UK version of the ship they can start the build of the spaces that are not changing, usually the keel level blocks, and cut the steel for other places. There also might be a test block to build as well.
- Reaction score
- 5,938
- Points
- 1,090
Never except maybe as a joke. It's only going to be operated when it needs to be for testing or training. It's not supposed to be an operational detection system.
GR66
Army.ca Veteran
- Reaction score
- 4,137
- Points
- 1,160
Depending on what is decided for the NORAD modernization program could that possibly change? Sounds like potentially a missed opportunity if the location/capabilities makes sense for integration into the new system.
- Reaction score
- 4,157
- Points
- 1,120
When your main shipboard RADAR is powerful enough that you're not allowed to turn it on within X miles of land or other habitation....having a shore station that is not in a remote location would be impossible....and having it in a remote location would make it very difficult to use as a training location for crews, or testing.
- Reaction score
- 6,275
- Points
- 1,040
Initial design review is still ongoing to some extent, with compartment changes and some major design decisions still TBD. The engineering design isn't changing, but still need to do equipment selection for that design.
If I was a betting man don't see basic construction starting for another 3-4 years, and doing a test block isn't starting construction. That just figures out some background data for how to do the production engineering with those grades/thickness of steels and the different types of welds.
- Reaction score
- 4,157
- Points
- 1,120
...
After we give ISI another $300 million bucks....or so....
After we give ISI another $300 million bucks....or so....
- Reaction score
- 5,938
- Points
- 1,090
Yah there is always some system or space that is lagging. For JSS there were a few things even in final design review that needed to be pushed back. Mostly stuff that relied upon acceptance of another design first (knock-on effects).
Starting construction is a very vague statement and the numbers can be played with. There is usually the steel cutting ceremony where some photo-opers get to push the big red button to start the plasma cutter or something dumb like that. Is that start of construction? Is start of construction when they weld one piece to the next? When they weld the ship's coin to the keel? When long lead items are beginning to be built by subcontractors?
Wait... you actually think ISI is using modern shipbuilding techniques? I would be shocked, absolutely shocked if they did that. The BAE Rep has the worst job in the world trying to get them to think modern.
Rainbow1910
Full Member
- Reaction score
- 939
- Points
- 810
CSC render posted by the RCN Facebook page yesterday.
Oldgateboatdriver
Army.ca Veteran
- Reaction score
- 2,252
- Points
- 1,010
Wait aminute. Are we actually going back to two anchors ?
Halifax Tar
Army.ca Fixture
- Reaction score
- 11,308
- Points
- 1,260
Being a Storesman my steamship isn't BWK standard. What are the advantages of 1 vs 2 anchors, and vice versa?
Oldgateboatdriver
Army.ca Veteran
- Reaction score
- 2,252
- Points
- 1,010
Oh! All sorts of things, from mediterranean moorings in harbours where you can only put your stern to the wharf, to actual mooring (anchoring with two anchors spread so you middle the two) in a narrow bay or harbour, to using them to manoeuver off a wharf or jetty in bad wind condition, to helping with stable anchoring in bad holding ground, to emergency stopping the ship while checking stern swing, to avoid it going aground, etc. etc.
Single anchor ships were the death of good anchor work.
Single anchor ships were the death of good anchor work.
- Reaction score
- 6,275
- Points
- 1,040
They did it for AOPs where it was easier with the thicker plate, they will definitely have to do it for CSC. That's part of the basic target state requirements for all the shipyards actually, and why Seaspan did the same thing (and Davie will need to as well). It was one of the FMI requirements for any NSS yard.
Aside from doing the test modules, they also do it for things like running through their own auto welding line to make the longitudinals. It's pretty critical for modular building as all that gets built into the module/block/megablock assembly, and they further refine it in each iteration of the modules/blocks to reduce corrections. Saves them a huge amount of time and money.
- Reaction score
- 4,157
- Points
- 1,120
There are test modules in the laydown area in front of the main doors of D-206 in dockyard right now for testing deck covering I think.
- Reaction score
- 5,938
- Points
- 1,090
The first anchorage I ever planned as a wee barely shaving subbie was a med mooring/stern in with Brandon. The jetty we were going to had a low tide very near the keel, so the CO decided that we should just have the stern in as that's the shallowest point. It just blew my mind as I was researching it, and that we did it without tugs is a testament to how manouverable the MCDV actually is.Oh! All sorts of things, from mediterranean moorings in harbours where you can only put your stern to the wharf, to actual mooring (anchoring with two anchors spread so you middle the two) in a narrow bay or harbour, to using them to manoeuver off a wharf or jetty in bad wind condition, to helping with stable anchoring in bad holding ground, to emergency stopping the ship while checking stern swing, to avoid it going aground, etc. etc.
Single anchor ships were the death of good anchor work.
What I like with the Type 26 style is the prow-mounted anchor . Should simplify the mechanics of the tow line forward, as well as any attaching to a buoy. As opposed to an anchor on both bows.
Being reported that the President of ISI, Kevin Moonie, who replaced Kevin McCoy, is retiring.
www.saltwire.com
Wonder what, if any, effect this will have on the program.
Irving Shipbuilding president Kevin Mooney resigns | SaltWire
HALIFAX, N.S. — Kevin Mooney, the president of Irving Shipbuilding Inc., has resigned for personal reasons. Ross Langley, vice-chairman of the company, ...
www.saltwire.com
Wonder what, if any, effect this will have on the program.
And the new President of ISI is:
T26
Vice-Admiral Sir Chris Gardner, Director General (Ships) at DE&S confirmed the first Type 26 frigate, HMS Glasgow was 12 months behind schedule. This has been caused by three main issues: COVID, “Inadequate engineering maturity” and problems with the supply chain.While the impact of COVID was unavoidable, the engineering issues are harder for BAE Systems to explain. The five OPVs built in Glasgow at an inflated price were supposed to subsidise the yard to re-baseline its shipbuilding skills. After the serious construction mistakes with HMS Forth, promises were made that “lessons would be learned” and BAES were also very keen to highlight how its digital shipyard technologies would drive efficiency. The 10-year construction plan for HMS Glasgow was already pretty leisurely. An optimist might hope that if the integration work at Scotstoun goes more smoothly than the construction phase, the ship could still meet the 2026/7 delivery schedule.
The supply chain issue mainly relates to the late delivery of the gearboxes built by David Brown Santasalo in Huddersfield. As long-lead items, the development of these sophisticated and ultra-quiet gearboxes has been underway for many years, including constructing a land-based test rig. Late delivery meant HMS Glasgow was rolled out of the build hall without the gearboxes which had to be fitted by cutting the hull open and skidding them into place on the hard standing. The Defence Secretary said they had been in touch with the supplier [David Brown] and “read them the riot act” as their products are fundamental to the whole Type 26 project, including in Australia and Canada.
Last edited:
- Reaction score
- 1,658
- Points
- 1,060
Type 26 Frigate project update, first in water this year
BAE Systems has confirmed that HMS Glasgow is set to enter the water for the first time this year and has also discussed the status of the other ships in the class.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk
"In terms of dimensions, the proposed shipbuilding hall will be approximately 81 metres wide, 170 metres long and 49 metres high to the building ridge line."
big building room at Irving for the same?
- Reaction score
- 8,280
- Points
- 1,160
Opportunity for Canada?
Increased demand
Existing capacity
If the Poles, and others, want the Type 31s faster then is it possible that the Brits could lay off some of the Type 26 work to Canadian or Aussie yards? Would that encourage ISY and its supply chain to work faster and could that have a knock on effect on the Canadian NSS plan?
And thinking of opportunities - "hot production lines" in Canada obviously include GDLSC LAVs (LAV II,III and 6) as well as GDOTC Ammunition and Colt Canada.
How cold is the Magellan Bristol Aerospace CRV-7 line? Could that be spooled up? Could Winnipeg become a Canadian centre of missile excellence?
www.telegraph.co.uk
I know jumping on opportunity is not the Canadian Way ....
Increased demand
Existing capacity
If the Poles, and others, want the Type 31s faster then is it possible that the Brits could lay off some of the Type 26 work to Canadian or Aussie yards? Would that encourage ISY and its supply chain to work faster and could that have a knock on effect on the Canadian NSS plan?
And thinking of opportunities - "hot production lines" in Canada obviously include GDLSC LAVs (LAV II,III and 6) as well as GDOTC Ammunition and Colt Canada.
How cold is the Magellan Bristol Aerospace CRV-7 line? Could that be spooled up? Could Winnipeg become a Canadian centre of missile excellence?
The British-made weapons helping Eastern Europe prepare for a new Cold War
BAE Systems is expecting a flood of new orders from countries preparing for the return of industrial war
www.telegraph.co.uk
I know jumping on opportunity is not the Canadian Way ....
