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GR66 said:
I'd love to know more about exactly why Van Riper considers Berger's plan "dumber than dirt".

In his (in)famous Red Team win in Millennium Challenge 2002 he overwhelmed the Blue Team fleet with a barrage of missiles followed up by small boat attacks. In some ways isn't the goal of the Marine Littoral Regiments somewhat similar? Use asymmetrical tactics to overcome the strengths of the enemy force?
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I would say "yup!".
 
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Ukraine getting 14 UGVs from Estonian TheMIs via Germany
7 Casevac
7 Mine clearance

www.thedefensepost.com

Germany to Provide 14 THeMIS Unmanned Ground Vehicles to Ukraine

The German Ministry of Defense has contracted two defense and technology firms to manufacture unmanned ground vehicles for Ukraine.
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One unit previously detected in Kyiv - purchased by a civvy charity for casevac and log supply.

Ukraine conflict: THeMIS robot delivered to Kyiv as Russia announces bounty for system's capture

Janes has received confirmation of the delivery of a THeMIS unmanned ground vehicle (UGV) to Ukraine after images of the system being delivered emerged on a number of...
www.janes.com
 
Brits own 15 of the Rheinmetall Canada - Argo 8x8 UGVs

Group 3 - January 2022
4x Mission Master SP - Surveillance
3x Mission Master SP - Cargo

Group 2 - 2021
4x Mission Master SP - Fire Support

Grroup 1 - 2020
4x Mission Master SP - Cargo

www.defenseadvancement.com

UK MoD Selects Mission Master UGV for Robotic Platoon Vehicles Program - Defense Advancement

For the third time, the British Ministry of Defense (MoD) has awarded Rheinmetall a contract for its Robotic Platoon Vehicles...
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British Army orders four more Rheinmetall Mission Master UGVs | Defense News May 2021 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2021 | Archive News year

Rheinmetall has achieved another sales success in the United Kingdom. The British have ordered four more Mission Masters under the second phase (Spiral 2) of their Robotic Platoon Vehicle programme.
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www.edrmagazine.eu

Mission Master multiplies its versions - EDR Magazine

At Eurosatory 2018, Rheinmetall exhibited the production version of its Mission Master, the UGV developed and produced by Rheinmetall Canada.
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I'm doing this to suggest the technology is not so futuristic that it can be ignored.​


BELL 412SP/EP/EPI​

This is the “next generation” Bell 412SP (Special Performance), with its Pratt and Whitney Canada PT6T-3BF engines, reliably performs in the most extreme climates on the planet every day. From its research and experience of its older predecessor, the Bell 212, this Special Performance version of the Bell 412 features larger fuel capacity and higher takeoff weight than the standard model. Each of our Bell 412 helicopters come with a BLR Fastfin.
Its expansive cabin can be configured to accommodate either cargo or personnel. Its wide opening 7.7 foot doors accommodate forklift loading into a 220 cubic foot cabin.

SPECIFICATIONS​

SEATS: 14 + pilot
MAX RANGE: 355 miles
CRUISE SPEED: 150 mph (130 kts)
FUEL CONSUMPTION: 425 L/hr.
MAX INTERNAL LOAD: 4200 lbs
MAX EXTERNAL LOAD (HOOK): 3000 lbs - 1360 kg


Mission Master SP Weight - 750 kg
Mission Master SP Payload - 600 kg
Total weight 1350 kg

If amphibious total weight is 1050 kg (300 kg payload).

Speed of 40 m/h on land and 5 km/h on water. 8 hours endurance. 24 hours with range extender

www.army-technology.com

Mission Master Unmanned Ground Vehicle, Germany

The Mission Master unmanned ground vehicle is produced by Rheinmetall to support multiple mission requirements of troops in difficult terrain conditions.
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Kirkhill said:

I'm doing this to suggest the technology is not so futuristic that it can be ignored.​

​

BELL 412SP/EP/EPI​

This is the “next generation” Bell 412SP (Special Performance), with its Pratt and Whitney Canada PT6T-3BF engines, reliably performs in the most extreme climates on the planet every day. From its research and experience of its older predecessor, the Bell 212, this Special Performance version of the Bell 412 features larger fuel capacity and higher takeoff weight than the standard model. Each of our Bell 412 helicopters come with a BLR Fastfin.
Its expansive cabin can be configured to accommodate either cargo or personnel. Its wide opening 7.7 foot doors accommodate forklift loading into a 220 cubic foot cabin.

SPECIFICATIONS​

SEATS: 14 + pilot
MAX RANGE: 355 miles
CRUISE SPEED: 150 mph (130 kts)
FUEL CONSUMPTION: 425 L/hr.
MAX INTERNAL LOAD: 4200 lbs
MAX EXTERNAL LOAD (HOOK): 3000 lbs - 1360 kg


Mission Master SP Weight - 750 kg
Mission Master SP Payload - 600 kg
Total weight 1350 kg

If amphibious total weight is 1050 kg (300 kg payload).

Speed of 40 m/h on land and 5 km/h on water. 8 hours endurance. 24 hours with range extender

www.army-technology.com

Mission Master Unmanned Ground Vehicle, Germany

The Mission Master unmanned ground vehicle is produced by Rheinmetall to support multiple mission requirements of troops in difficult terrain conditions.
www.army-technology.com www.army-technology.com

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I’m not tracking the 412 SP relevance to the Mission Master?
 
Problem with UGV's is that you still need people to maintain them and load and unload them. Not to mention recover them and guard them when the road is blocked. In other words the manpower saving is minimal for logistical vehicles. Now for mine clearance, breaching, UXO and very specialised tasks, then UGV make excellent sense.
 
KevinB said:
I’m not tracking the 412 SP relevance to the Mission Master?
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CH146 Griffon (Canada's Light Utility Helicopter) is broadly similar to the Bell 412 EP which has a hook rated at 1360 kg (3000 lb)

An unloaded Griffon could sling load an autonomous Mission Master forward, to a secure location, then release the UGV to make its own way to an RV with a 300 to 600 kg payload.
 
Kirkhill said:
CH146 Griffon (Canada's Light Utility Helicopter) is broadly similar to the Bell 412 EP which has a hook rated at 1360 kg (3000 lb)

An unloaded Griffon could sling load an autonomous Mission Master forward, to a secure location, then release the UGV to make its own way to an RV with a 300 to 600 kg payload.
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Keep in mind the Griffon doesn’t have a crew of just a single pilot.
I’m not sure those airframes could do it at this point.
 
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KevinB said:
Keep in mind the Griffon doesn’t have a crew of just a single pilot.
I’m not sure those airframes could do it at this point.
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I'm not sure of lots of things. But I am sure that lots of things can be done if they are done differently.
 
Kirkhill said:
UMS-Skeldars-V-200-UAV-achieves-new-ATOL-milestone.jpg


How big a crew is really needed? Perhaps it depends on the mission?

Zero? 1 with an AI back up? A full crew of four at risk to deliver a package?
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Hey the pic of the last one the CAF has already got one!
Because if a thread here doesn't go to Monty Python it goes to the what to wear side of the debate or to the correct orbat of a Ranger patrol in the RCHA etc. LOL


But here is the info on the CU-176 Gargoyle

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UMS Skeldar V-200 - Wikipedia

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Hatchet
6 lbs
12 inches
2 m CEP (stationary and mobile targets)
Lethality 80% of a 500 lb bomb



“By arming the smaller, organic unmanned systems, the soldiers on the ground become less reliant on the larger, low density, high demand aircraft assets to accomplish their mission,” said Esler. “As we have seen in Ukraine, these smaller, weaponized UAS systems have been proven very effective on the battlefield.”
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defence-blog.com

US military evaluates new miniature strike munition for drone

Defense giant Northrop Grumman Corp. has announced that its Hatchet miniature strike munition underwent multiple live fire exercises. According to a press release from NG, Hatchet munition recently participated in several Department of Defense tests where a smart mini bomb was employed for the...
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Hatchet is designed to be used with UAS systems by Forward Observers or as submunitions in missiles or from any aircraft.


The military-industrial complex solution to the Ukrainian innovation





You have to wonder about the effect of a swarm of those as submunitions delivered by a troop of HIMARS.

4 vehicles
24 missiles
100 or more submunitions
2m CEP








The trials Group 3 UAS.

AeroVironment Jump 20 UAS
185 km 95 kg with 30 lb (14 kg) payload
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JUMP 20 Group 3 Medium UAS | Military Battlefield Drone | AeroVironment, Inc.

AeroVironment's JUMP 20 is runway independent and the first fixed wing UAS with vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) capability. Ideal for multi-mission operations, with 14 hours of endurance and an operational range of 185 km (115 mi). Featuring flexible payload options and industry leading...
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