Allowances - Post Living Differential (PLD) [MERGED]
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Eye In The Sky
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Are you referring to reaction, age, or demeanor?The 2 Flt Engineers I work with when I say that on Monday…
Eye In The Sky
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I do wonder when the situations were reversed, how many soldiers in Edmonton split thier PLD with soldiers in Pet?
Whats that? Nailed it??
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Just wait until they hit Black Gold in Deep River!!
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Blame the troops for bad government policy... You secretly a Col working in NDHQ?
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Me?...a Col?? That would have meant university, and 4 years of smoking dope and bad mouthing your country. Not me...
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I have partied with the Bruce in more than one occasion, in more than one country.
I can confirm
He is not a Col
But he is a better person than many Cols I have served with
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This is such a difficult topic to tackle. Those in the CAF that were actually involved in the process literally cannot talk about it or likely share their own opinions. Almost any General I’ve ever talked to on a personal basis actually knows the issues. But the solutions the troops are looking for aren’t in the realm of control of CAF leadership.
There was years of talk, people seeking a revamp of PLD in places with high cost of living. But I guarantee that those that were receiving it while living in places that had a lower-than-average cost didn’t complain about that benefit. We collectively got lucky it wasn’t reassessed earlier: had they reassessed PLD with the TB-mandated NCR baseline, say ten years ago, everyone but Toronto, Vancouver and Victoria would have lost it. If that reassessment was done now then cut that list to Vancouver only.
It’s rough news, it’s far from perfect. I’m saddened by the examples I’ve seen in analyses done by our membership that shows failings in the new structure. But I also get that it had to be done, and I have strong suspicion that the hands of our uniformed leadership were quite tied. I am, however, happy that the most junior of my maintenance team will at least be able to afford to get their own residence and be able to get some food on the table.
It’s still a long road. Do I think we can fix this? I don’t know. I quietly hope that the institutional leadership can see that there’s only one real option: to step up and protect what’s left of the “machine.”
We want to be awesome, at least I hope that each and everyone of you wants to be awesome. To fulfil deeper values, to get back to our roots of being a part of something that works not for profit, but for what’s right. But to do that, to get there, we must always prioritize the health of the “machine” first.
When I joined the CAF it needed an oil change, timing adjustment and tire rotation. It still worked, got down the road just fine with just a hiccup here and there. But now…now it needs a full restoration. Our institutional health is the lowest it’s ever been. I saw Op RECONSTITUTION as Gen. Eyre’s message that he gets this very fact.
Despite the messaging we hear from our command staff, I suspect (and am deeply hopeful) that they know it’s flawed and not what was hoped for. But the way it’s messaged is literally their job. I in no way whatsoever envy the position of our commanders. For them to speak against these policies in any way is pure career suicide (and a chargeable offence). It’s a brutal rock/hard place. I have full faith that they advocated as best they could, but this is just the best they could get from the holders of the purse strings.
At least that’s how I’m choosing to see things, makes the sleep a bit better at night.
There was years of talk, people seeking a revamp of PLD in places with high cost of living. But I guarantee that those that were receiving it while living in places that had a lower-than-average cost didn’t complain about that benefit. We collectively got lucky it wasn’t reassessed earlier: had they reassessed PLD with the TB-mandated NCR baseline, say ten years ago, everyone but Toronto, Vancouver and Victoria would have lost it. If that reassessment was done now then cut that list to Vancouver only.
It’s rough news, it’s far from perfect. I’m saddened by the examples I’ve seen in analyses done by our membership that shows failings in the new structure. But I also get that it had to be done, and I have strong suspicion that the hands of our uniformed leadership were quite tied. I am, however, happy that the most junior of my maintenance team will at least be able to afford to get their own residence and be able to get some food on the table.
It’s still a long road. Do I think we can fix this? I don’t know. I quietly hope that the institutional leadership can see that there’s only one real option: to step up and protect what’s left of the “machine.”
We want to be awesome, at least I hope that each and everyone of you wants to be awesome. To fulfil deeper values, to get back to our roots of being a part of something that works not for profit, but for what’s right. But to do that, to get there, we must always prioritize the health of the “machine” first.
When I joined the CAF it needed an oil change, timing adjustment and tire rotation. It still worked, got down the road just fine with just a hiccup here and there. But now…now it needs a full restoration. Our institutional health is the lowest it’s ever been. I saw Op RECONSTITUTION as Gen. Eyre’s message that he gets this very fact.
Despite the messaging we hear from our command staff, I suspect (and am deeply hopeful) that they know it’s flawed and not what was hoped for. But the way it’s messaged is literally their job. I in no way whatsoever envy the position of our commanders. For them to speak against these policies in any way is pure career suicide (and a chargeable offence). It’s a brutal rock/hard place. I have full faith that they advocated as best they could, but this is just the best they could get from the holders of the purse strings.
At least that’s how I’m choosing to see things, makes the sleep a bit better at night.
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The spouses are mobilizing in Esq.
www.vicnews.com
CFB Esquimalt spouses decry families effectively seeing pay cuts with new structure
Long-awaited replacement aims to help lower ranks afford housing
www.vicnews.com
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@Griffon Great post, agree. Also, feel bad for BGen Tatersall (DGCB) who had to be the public face of that particular shit sandwich (which is apparently being called PAYCUTFORGEN). It's not like they were the ones that created the policy, just were the ones in the job when it came down from upon high, so are being quoted in the news.
Having said that, wished the RCN would take the same line with life safety orders and follow CAF direction and just remind people they need to be clean shaven. Lot of folks with big ass beards and goatees so no way they are all excused from duty watches or fire fighting. If they can follow unpopular orders on money they can stop trying to be popular by ignoring CAF orders from the CDS.
Having said that, wished the RCN would take the same line with life safety orders and follow CAF direction and just remind people they need to be clean shaven. Lot of folks with big ass beards and goatees so no way they are all excused from duty watches or fire fighting. If they can follow unpopular orders on money they can stop trying to be popular by ignoring CAF orders from the CDS.
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The spouses are mobilizing in Esq.
CFB Esquimalt spouses decry families effectively seeing pay cuts with new structure
Long-awaited replacement aims to help lower ranks afford housing
This is clever messaging. Anyone higher than the rank of cpl who complains about losing money is being selfish and not 'for the troops'.
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Control the narrative! That's the key!
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Lets keep in mind that the CAF, in no way, controls pay and allowance levels. That is set Department/Treasury Board level.
It doesn’t make it suck less for those impacted, but people should at least understand who is calling the shots.
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I wish someone who has better Excel skills (and time) than I would make a spreadsheet comparing the gain/loss from HD vs PLD, by rank/spec. Have each Excel sheet be a rank, and list by location like below (amounts made up):
Cpl Basic
Edmonton -200
Esquimalt + 200
NCR + 500
Make it colour-coded so it's really easy to see how many ranks/specs get more or less. There will be a lot of "neutral" because folks either have too high of a salary, or the place never had PLD and don't have HD.
Cpl Basic
Edmonton -200
Esquimalt + 200
NCR + 500
Make it colour-coded so it's really easy to see how many ranks/specs get more or less. There will be a lot of "neutral" because folks either have too high of a salary, or the place never had PLD and don't have HD.
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