A&W Papa Burgers: The choice of Griffon pilots everywhere
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midget-boyd91
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Something similar happened in town here over the summer. Except it was a pair of float planes that landed in a lake (Lake Pisiquid, by the causeway on the 101 for those familiar with the area) for a Timmies run, then took off again.
Oddball
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One of the problems with cross-country flights is that a lot of the smaller airports that actually have jet fuel do not have a restaurant or other food source nearby. One can cab it into town or walk a couple of k, but that takes time. Two such meals can therefore kill a couple of hours, or the equivalent of one fuel hop. Combined, that could add a day/night to a Borden-Wainwright trip. Not too many eating establishments have suitable space to land, though, and it obviously attracts attention.
It used to be fairly common when I did my Jet Ranger course in Portage to land behind Rotten Ronnie's on the highway at Brandon on cross-country trips.
We also used to stop in with a Griffon at the Dairy Queen in Orangeville on occasion several years ago. The old hospital helipad was close by, and the DQ owner liked helicopters so lunch was always free. No reporters ever came out.
Will somebody in the chain of command say anything? One would hope not. So long as this was justified, and it is easy to do that from my point of view, there should be no problem.
It used to be fairly common when I did my Jet Ranger course in Portage to land behind Rotten Ronnie's on the highway at Brandon on cross-country trips.
We also used to stop in with a Griffon at the Dairy Queen in Orangeville on occasion several years ago. The old hospital helipad was close by, and the DQ owner liked helicopters so lunch was always free. No reporters ever came out.
Will somebody in the chain of command say anything? One would hope not. So long as this was justified, and it is easy to do that from my point of view, there should be no problem.
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Loachman said:
Very well said Loach,
As a side note, I find these actions to be very good for PR with the public.
If the military PA gurus were smart, they would advise the chain of command to allow more of this to happen. It would allow the public to further see we are serving their nation, and are human too.
We see too much of the public gathering around to view the hearses bringing our troops home. Why not let the public see our troops alive and doing every day things?
Man, if me and my kiddies saw a chopper land at the local DQ or A&W, I would have to listen to them how cool it was to see soldiers for the next week!
I would rather them talking about that, than to have them mourn as young kiddies.
I say seize the moment when Canada's military is respected once again, and not because of loss, but of service and commonality
dileas
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Yup, a mini-Op Connection, at no cost and combined with reasonable efficiency. Some excitement for the locals, good PR for us, time saved for two crews, and six full stomaches. Everybody should be happy.
That would have been the FE who went in for the pick-up, rather than one of the pilots. It's a lot easier that way.
As for regulations (earlier question), we are governed principally by B-GA-100 Canadian Forces Flying Orders, and then 1 CAD Orders.
I haven't been into Kenora for a couple of years, on a Wainwright trip, and I'm trying to remember what it was like. We spent the night before in Thunder Bay, so we wouldn't have been looking for food there. Waiting for the cab each way between Dauphin and the town took much longer than it did for the trips and meal, though.
That would have been the FE who went in for the pick-up, rather than one of the pilots. It's a lot easier that way.
As for regulations (earlier question), we are governed principally by B-GA-100 Canadian Forces Flying Orders, and then 1 CAD Orders.
I haven't been into Kenora for a couple of years, on a Wainwright trip, and I'm trying to remember what it was like. We spent the night before in Thunder Bay, so we wouldn't have been looking for food there. Waiting for the cab each way between Dauphin and the town took much longer than it did for the trips and meal, though.
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Great story, great pics.
Hey, when you're hungry, you're hungry. And some times ya just can't get delivery. ;D
Hey, when you're hungry, you're hungry. And some times ya just can't get delivery. ;D
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ENGINEERS WIFE said:
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ENGINEERS WIFE said:
Yup. And it increased sales for A&W. The wife is working the evening shift - so I didn't feel like cooking. Off I went to the local A&W for a Papa Burger (and a Baby Burger for my faithful canine sidekick).
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Roy Harding said:
But, Roy, the burning question is......was your mode of transportation quite as fancy? hehehe
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The airport at Kenora is outside the town. The second news story brings up the true reason for this stop over. They were saving time and money by allowing the first helicopter to refuel first, while the other went and picked up food. They saved a cab ride in and the extra couple of hours that Loachman was talking about.
Helicopters can and will land in any flat stretch of territory about the size of a tennis court. This does not contravene the CARs nor does it impact on the B-GA-100 and our associated DIV flying orders. I imagine that where this A&W is located does not qualify as a built up area either.
Good news story - should be treated as such by the MSM and DND.
Helicopters can and will land in any flat stretch of territory about the size of a tennis court. This does not contravene the CARs nor does it impact on the B-GA-100 and our associated DIV flying orders. I imagine that where this A&W is located does not qualify as a built up area either.
Good news story - should be treated as such by the MSM and DND.
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And a response from the Minister's office.
http://www.canada.com/news/Military+helicopter+touches+down+burgers/2063530/story.html
http://www.canada.com/news/Military+helicopter+touches+down+burgers/2063530/story.html
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As a taxpayer, if everything was done safely (which I trust it was), I'd be upset if this "investigation" ties up loads and loads of CF staff time. It's great PR for the military, it's good face-to-face outreach and it's putting a few bucks into a local economy. What's bad about that?
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I love this story. I am happy to see that the CoC hasn't flinched or made a big deal out of it. It's cool, as Loachman said, a mini-Op Connection with no additional cost.
The public got to see that our military are 'real people' too, they eat!
The public got to see that our military are 'real people' too, they eat!
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Investigation? Yeesh. I hope it's short, sweet and does nothing more than admit that "Operation Papa Burger has been a complete success"
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If NDHQ acts like this is a bad thing, then the reporters will smell blood and chase them, causing them to chase their tails. In the mining business and in my current business landing a helicopter near a place to grab lunch is almost common place.
