2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[QV]

I can't find any recent official platform for the CPC, I assume that will be ironed out after the leadership race.

But these guys have a very clear and easily understood platform which I think almost anyone could agree with: Our Platform - People's Party of Canada

 

[brihard]

Listening to Pollievre supporters talk about the huge pool of non-voters itching to vote for him remind me of the Bernie Bros to the south thinking that all those non-voters are itching for a truly socialist candidate…

Part of what Pollievre would achieve as leader would be to increase the polarization of undecided voters in the centre. A lot of voters reluctantly hold their nose and vote for whoever sucks less between LPC and CPC come election time. The more dramatic the party leader on one side or the other, the easier it is to decide which option will suck more and vote accordingly. I’m not sure that, in the balance, his style (if it stays more or less the same) will work in his favour in this regard. He will pull some “this is what I’ve been waiting for!” Votes from the PPC, and will lose some “I’d vote CPC if not for…” votes in the centre. I don’t think many undecided centrists are looking for what PP offers…

 

[Remius]

Tory leadership committee was advised not to approve Patrick Brown's nomination

Reasons behind the advice to refuse Brown’s application to run is not known, but were overruled

nationalpost.com

This getting messier than it was or needed to be.

 

[MJP]

Listening to Pollievre supporters talk about the huge pool of non-voters itching to vote for him remind me of the Bernie Bros to the south thinking that all those non-voters are itching for a truly socialist candidate…

The irony being Canadian is Bernie is just a normie here.

But that is not your point and agree that it is likely the case

 

[brihard]

Details are now emerging: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/whistleblow-brown-disqualification-payment-1.6514122

 

[Navy_Pete]

One thing got Trudeau elected the first time and that was the legalization of marijuana. If it wasn’t for that I doubt he would have won, and if he had it wouldn’t have been a majority.

As the last two elections have shown, without those apathetic single issue voters who only come out if their issue is on the line, he can’t get a majority.

Woah woah easy there; legalization of marijuana is a genuine retention tool that is letting a lot of people stay sane while the CAF continues to do want to do even more with even less. Should be a legitimate work related expense at this point.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Part of what Pollievre would achieve as leader would be to increase the polarization of undecided voters in the centre. A lot of voters reluctantly hold their nose and vote for whoever sucks less between LPC and CPC come election time. The more dramatic the party leader on one side or the other, the easier it is to decide which option will suck more and vote accordingly. I’m not sure that, in the balance, his style (if it stays more or less the same) will work in his favour in this regard. He will pull some “this is what I’ve been waiting for!” Votes from the PPC, and will lose some “I’d vote CPC if not for…” votes in the centre. I don’t think many undecided centrists are looking for what PP offers…

There's an Italian saying my grandfather used to tell me as a boy:

se uomo vende cazzate, ma odora di lavanda; non è lui che lo spala"

It roughly translates to "the man who sells bullshit, but smells of lavender; isn't the one shoveling it."

I feel that way about Trudeau and PP about the same. These folks are puppets that spout the message of the party "faithful" and lobbyists that have agendas. If there is a platform most people can get behind, they can overlook personalities. When the platform is the personality...well... see my quote above.

 

[dapaterson]

Robert Fyfe reports that it's a long-time Conservative activist, Debra Jodoin, who blew the whistle on Brown.

The allegation is that she was being paid by a private corporation while working on the campaign.

Her CV on LinkedIn shows the last company she was working for is MaxSys, a staffing company in Ottawa, run by Bryan Brulotte, who in 2020 announced a run for the CPC leadership, then withdrew, and then announced a potential run to be Ottawa's mayor, then withdrew.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1545194936840196096

https://ca.linkedin.com/in/debbie-jodoin-7432b22b?original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

 

[OldSolduer]

The LPC can run a retarded monkey as their leader and still win a majority.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Boring but competent left Harper out in the cold when young and fiery came along. Boring and competent left nothing to fall back on for O'Tool when the wolves came for him.

As for punchable, and unlikeable... JT's "sincere" voice puts me into an instant rage. Yet, enough people accept his rage inducing fake sincerity to get him elected, so there is hope for PPs "greasy" voice and appearance.

EDIT: For clarity, my point is that it's easy for us to get trapped in our own perceptions, and forget that others viewpoints may be different. I find nothing particularly "sleazy", or "greasy" about PP, but I accept that others view him differently. I suspect that with the power of the CPC behind him, he can be made to be more "mainstream" for the average person left feeling abandoned by the ideologues running the LPC. The finance minister recently said high gas prices are a reminder about climate change... How out of touch with the average person do you have to be to try to spin it that way?

I agree they are both pretty 'punchable', but I trust the Liberal Party more (or distrust them less?) to not try and roll back the clock on things like abortion. They are both likely to do stupid things I dislike, but the stupid things the LPC will do are more palatable than the stupid things the CPC and PP in particular are talking about doing. The CPCs aren't even really talking about cuts, just spending the same amount on different things and their own special interests.

I had no problem with O'Toole, but the local candidate was useless, and a potato with a Franco name would win my riding under the LPC banner regardless. I think a general lack of party unity and internal strife took him out as least as much as any external attacks, and I still think whoever put together the platform glossy with the photos of him and his family hated him. That campaign loss was more of a systematic failure of the party to put together a coherent clear message on what they bring to the table and keep the unhinged lunatics muzzled.

Meanwhile provincially the Conservatives are doing much better by specifically distancing themselves from the federal party.

With the current block of candidates I don't see any likely outcome other than another LPC government barring some kind of massive upheaval.

If JT just calls it and Freeland or anyone else takes over, just forget it.

 

[Remius]

The LPC can run a retarded monkey as their leader and still win a majority.

I was just saying something similar to a friend. Leave it to the CPC to self destruct while trying to pick a leader.

Political parties need to form actual succession and leadership development plans instead of the game of thrones crap we see right now.

 

[brihard]

I was just saying something similar to a friend. Leave it to the CPC to self destruct while trying to pick a leader.

Political parties need to form actual succession and leadership development plans instead of the game of thrones crap we see right now.

Issue with that is they at least purport to have democratic processes to select leaders. Obviously there’s some slime inherent… I think we end up getting the worst of where those two ideas collide in the middle.

 

[RangerRay]

I prefer the old method of choosing leaders that most other Westminster systems use: caucus chooses the leader because they are the ones that have to work with him.

 

[Furniture]

Tory leadership committee was advised not to approve Patrick Brown's nomination

Reasons behind the advice to refuse Brown’s application to run is not known, but were overruled

nationalpost.com

This getting messier than it was or needed to be.

The leadership committee or Brown himself should have avoided creating this mess...

Brown was always going to be bad news for the CPC, and an adult should have told him that in plain language, then tossed his name from the leadership race.

If one was conspiratorially minded, one could imagine Brown being pushed as an "alternative" to PP, to ensure the guy running against the LPC next time was wide open to character attacks. Harper, Scheer, O'Tool, and PP might have had a "hidden agenda", Brown has actually been fired for sexual misconduct...

 

[OldSolduer]

Maybe the front running two should have a duel with flintlocks.

Brought to you by Labatt’s Blue and Molson Canadian

 

[Brad Sallows]

I prefer the old method of choosing leaders

At this point, maybe we could try Thunderdome.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Brown has actually been fired for sexual misconduct...

As a certain PM has shown us, that doesn’t have to be the end of a political career..

 

[Navy_Pete]

Issue with that is they at least purport to have democratic processes to select leaders. Obviously there’s some slime inherent… I think we end up getting the worst of where those two ideas collide in the middle.

Except that the leadership bid costs something like $500k total to register. Kind of crazy that they are raising something like $3M for the leadership campaign when the entire election costs are capped at about $30M.

With the rules around raising money that threshold to run seems like a massive gatekeeper, and may not actually reflect support of potential leaders. Suspect it keeps some competent people out of the running.

 

[OldSolduer]

Maybe the front running two should have a duel with flintlocks.

Brought to you by Labatt’s Blue and Molson Canadian

I have changed my mind. Sabres - big cavalry sabers - at dawn.

Brought to you by CRKT and Gerber Knives.

 

[Remius]

Conservatives bring in outside lawyers to review possibility of Patrick Brown appeal

Brown’s campaign has hired lawyer Marie Henein who sent a letter to the campaign Monday, calling for a swift meeting of the dispute resolution appeal committee

nationalpost.com

Looks like Brown has hired Marie Henein.