2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[The Bread Guy]

... If we had a federal election today I would probably spoil my ballot. I'd create my own "None of the above" ballot.

Sounds like you're not alone, but afraid there's no such option at this point federally

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yes the provincial governments are conservative but thr cpc maritime lost seats in the last federal election.

That has everything to do with their SOCON leanings and little to nothing to do with anything fiscal.

Yes the social programs are provincialy managed but with the money coming from the federal government.

Not really true. The maritime provinces are some the most heavily provincially taxed in the country for a reason. But yes they are net receivers of transfer payments if that's what you mean.

Maritimers are reluctant to move and industry takes advantage of that. Many businesses claim they can't afford to pay more even when they are profitable, Even when they struggle to find workers. There seems to be a mentality among employers that they don't need to pay well because life is cheaper there than in Ontario. My experience is this is wrong. With the exception of housing everything is substantially cheaper here in Ontario. Groceries are 20-50% more in P.E.I. than in the KW area where I live now. I watched many good workers leave jobs and the province when $0.50-$1.00 would have kept them, these guys were making $13-$15/hr where the same job elsewhere paid $20+/hr. I myself went up $8/hr by moving and my expenses went down a little.

You are also correct, and even with housing now our prices have skyrocketed.

To sum up CPC failure to create a beachhead has everything todo with SOCON little to nothing to do with anything fiscal. That is the part the CPC doesn't understand.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Sounds like you're not alone, but afraid there's no such option at this point federally

Oh I know I'm not alone. I think most of the country is Red Tory or Blue Liberal ... We have more in common than people want to admit.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Oh I know I'm not alone. I think most of the country is Red Tory or Blue Liberal ... We have more in common than people want to admit.

And with political debate looking more like this, harder to get together closer to the middle anymore ....

 

[OldSolduer]

my own "None of the above" ballot.

I did this once. I wrote in a candidate whose ideals were somewhat less than liberal.

 

[Scott]

NBs whatever colour government always has something else to consider: Irving.

The "new" NS PCs have done a lot to distance themselves from the federal bunch.

PEI politics are hyper local, always.

 

[Halifax Tar]

NBs whatever colour government always has something else to consider: Irving.

You aren't wrong, in fact they also have a grip on NS and in PEI its the McCains.

The "new" NS PCs have done a lot to distance themselves from the federal bunch.

Its the same provincial PC party they just have no affiliation with the CPC. And have made sure that is very public knowledge.

PEI politics are hyper local, always.

In all honesty PEI probably should be part of NS or NB. In fact I would support all three coming together to create one province.

 

[Scott]

I've stated why PEI would never join a union of the provinces - it wouldn't be local enough for them, and I get that.

That "new" bit of the PCs in NS I mentioned is that zero affiliation, and making it public I hope they keep up with that.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I've stated why PEI would never join a union of the provinces - it wouldn't be local enough for them, and I get that.

That "new" bit of the PCs in NS I mentioned is that zero affiliation, and making it public I hope they keep up with that.

Ya the Maritimes are not great at looking forward beyond local influence.

Me too! I really think Houston could be something.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Ya the Maritimes are not great at looking forward beyond local influence.

Me too! I really think Houston could be something.

I like that the provincial parties are separate from the federal ones; gives a chance for the stupidity to be filtered out when going up or down, if one is going hard over. Also the provinces deal with some pretty specific things that the feds don't so they need to tailor it more to what works locally.

I think the NS PC party is a pretty good example of what a lot of people are looking for as a fiscally responsible, centrist kind of party. They could be liberal, conservative, or even under the NDP banner (in the old style blue collar type NDP party) and find pretty decent success.

I think the big three all have pretty entrenched positions and factions, so a breakaway party might be the only way to go at this point. If the NDP could get it's more loony area of the party to STFU and come up with a realistic plan that they can actually pay for without bankrupting our grandkids I'd vote for them over either the CPC or Liberals.

There were a few protest type candidates in my riding last time (along the lines of the Rhino party), so I'd probably look at one of them to spoil a vote if we're still in the status quo. At this point, some of them may even get elected by accident! Apparently that happened in Montreal in the 70s and the Rhino party guy didn't really know what to do, so had to resign after winning.

 

[Brad Sallows]

industry takes advantage of that.

As long as EI can be gamed as a wage subsidy - it can be, and it is - industry is going to factor it into their compensation calculations.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Just got polled by a polling agencies, clearly hired by the CPC. When they called looking for donations a few days ago I said; "get your shit together you stabbed your leader in the back during all of this and now you want my money?"

 

[Rifleman62]

Brad Sallows​

As long as EI can be gamed as a wage subsidy - it can be, and it is - industry is going to factor it into their compensation calculations.

As well as assembling Canada's CF-18 replacement. We are not going to get the F-35.

 

[OldTanker]

Regarding spoiling ballots, I live in Elizabeth May's riding. Voting for her is essentially the same thing as spoiling a ballot, but at least I can say I did vote.

 

[FJAG]

Regarding spoiling ballots, I live in Elizabeth May's riding. Voting for her is essentially the same thing as spoiling a ballot, but at least I can say I did vote.

I actually prefer declining my ballot but the last time my spouse did that it took forever to get through the process due to befuddled polling officer. Spoiling is much faster. I refuse to not vote. I think that's abrogating your responsibility as a citizen but I do not have to pick the least offensive candidate either. I may be a small voice but it's a voice.

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[Happy Guy]

Here is a list of all the registered Federal parties in Canada according to Elections Canada for your perusal. As of the 2021 election there were 22 x parties.

Interesting enough there is a Centralist Party, A Libertarian Party, Veteran's Coalition Party of Canada, the Christian Heritage Party and many others.

For me, I would never vote for: any Communist / Socialist party (IMO this includes the current Liberal and NDP parties); any party that promotes the break up of Canada; any party is anti-climate change; any party that espouses far right wing polices.

For now, I'm drawn towards the Libertarian Party, but I need to conduct more research - Yes, I need to read Ayn Rand's book: Atlas Shrugged.

To me the Green Party is a no go because it mirrors the Liberal and NDP platforms with respect its socialist values and assumes that all businesses are not paying their fair share of taxes and must pay much more. There are no incentives for businesses to grow and innovate. In brief: people - good, business - bad. While it promotes green sustainable energy it discounts the use of nuclear power (fission) for immediate future. Québec has hydro but what about the Prairies? Wind and solar electric power will not be enough. Fusion nuclear power is still decades away and yet that there are dangers too with the need to heat up to the Sun's temperature for fusion to happen. Current renewal green sources of power will not meet the energy demands of Canada. IMO not a realistic platform. Plus they seem to have adopted the habit, like the CPC, of killing their leaders every two-three years. That reminds me, I wonder how long Jagmeet Singh will last if he fails win 25 or more seats in the next election. Will he go the way of Thomas Mulcair?

I'm still in a quandary.

 

[QV]

Here is a list of all the registered Federal parties in Canada according to Elections Canada for your perusal. As of the 2021 election there were 22 x parties.

Interesting enough there is a Centralist Party, A Libertarian Party, Veteran's Coalition Party of Canada, the Christian Heritage Party and many others.

For me, I would never vote for: any Communist / Socialist party (IMO this includes the current Liberal and NDP parties); any party that promotes the break up of Canada; any party is anti-climate change; any party that espouses far right wing polices.

For now, I'm drawn towards the Libertarian Party, but I need to conduct more research - Yes, I need to read Ayn Rand's book: Atlas Shrugged.

To me the Green Party is a no go because it mirrors the Liberal and NDP platforms with respect its socialist values and assumes that all businesses are not paying their fair share of taxes and must pay much more. There are no incentives for businesses to grow and innovate. In brief: people - good, business - bad. While it promotes green sustainable energy it discounts the use of nuclear power (fission) for immediate future. Québec has hydro but what about the Prairies? Wind and solar electric power will not be enough. Fusion nuclear power is still decades away and yet that there are dangers too with the need to heat up to the Sun's temperature for fusion to happen. Current renewal green sources of power will not meet the energy demands of Canada. IMO not a realistic platform. Plus they seem to have adopted the habit, like the CPC, of killing their leaders every two-three years. That reminds me, I wonder how long Jagmeet Singh will last if he fails win 25 or more seats in the next election. Will he go the way of Thomas Mulcair?

I'm still in a quandary.

Sounds like we have another potential PPC voter in the making.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Yes, I need to read Ayn Rand's book: Atlas Shrugged.

It's not the best source of libertarian ideas. Start by perusing reason.com on a regular basis.

 

[Happy Guy]

The PCC, like the Christian Heritage Party, dismisses the science behind Climate Change.

I talked with the local PPC candidate in my riding for the 2021 election. She rejected the idea of the COVID vaccine for herself and her family. I'm fine with that as long as they subject themselves to rapid testing as required, but she rejected the wearing of masks to prevent the spread of COVID like Mr. Bernier claiming it was a freedom of choice. What surprised me was her rejection of the proven scientific facts by reputable scientific organizations, regarding climate change and, at the time, COVID infection. Needless to say I voted for my local CPC candidate. Since 2015, my riding has been Liberal, before that NDP, and before that Liberal.

Having said that I do like many of the PPC's party platforms.

I believe that there is a need to reinvent / reinvigorate capitalism. I hate the idea of corporate welfare for large corporations. I understand the logic behind it, but ....

Brad - thanks for link to reason.com. I will check it out.

 

[QV]

The PCC, like the Christian Heritage Party, dismisses the science behind Climate Change.

I talked with the local PPC candidate in my riding for the 2021 election. She rejected the idea of the COVID vaccine for herself and her family. I'm fine with that as long as they subject themselves to rapid testing as required, but she rejected the wearing of masks to prevent the spread of COVID like Mr. Bernier claiming it was a freedom of choice. What surprised me was her rejection of the proven scientific facts by reputable scientific organizations, regarding climate change and, at the time, COVID infection. Needless to say I voted for my local CPC candidate. Since 2015, my riding has been Liberal, before that NDP, and before that Liberal.

Having said that I do like many of the PPC's party platforms.

So, you’re saying she was correct before her time. I jest (but not totally).

Whether a candidate has a personal preference or belief about one or two aspects should be less considered then the overall party platform, for the common good. If you like many of the PPC’s part platforms, then it’s worth considering. The LPC and CPC are not going to change.