gcclarke said:
Civvie U ROTP students are not given a mandate by any higher authority with regards to what levels of dress are acceptable and what levels are not. For anyone else on a random internet forum to decide that these people are failing a standard that we made up is, in my humble opinion, rather bloody arrogant.
Another important factor is that not only are the civvie U students not required to maintain any particular level of dress, they are also not provided any funds that would allow them to upkeep said level of dress. Whereas not only are RMC students provided with the uniform they wear on a day to day basis, they even get free freakin' dry cleaning of said uniforms. To expect others to maintain the same level of dress, out of pocket on an Officer Cadet's salary, is rather ridiculous.
I beg to differ with your opinions - if only from a regulations and historical perspective. When I did ROTP each University Liaison Office selected a senior ROTP student at each university to act as "Senior Subbie". These Sr Subs who had a few summers of training made sure that people were on good behaviour. In locations where the university and a CFB are near to each other the Base Comd and ULO's influence can be quite strong. I went to WLU, the ULO at that time was in CFRC Kitchener and several of my professors were retired Senior CF Officers who were well aware that I was on ROTP. This worked to my benefit when I failed to meet my academic requirements despite doing two sessions of summer school in two locations before and during BOTC II/SLT. They came to my defence (pun not intended) and supported my progression to 3rd year when I still did not attain the minimum grade point average after balancing summer school and summer training.
I call your attention to the CFAO 9-12 ROTP - Since you are subject to Code of Service Discipline it is a not a hard decision for someone at a university to contact the local recruiting office or Base Comd and request corrective discipline. As Sr Sub I was asked to specifically check on a few of my fellow students on occasion. Perhaps this is no longer the case, or you are just unaware of this type of position if you were never asked to take on the role, or people are not doing this task properly. I was given a list by the ULO of all students at my location.
Excerpt: para 47. Discipline. An officer cadet of the ROTP is subject to the Code of
Service Discipline and to the rules and regulations of the applicable
academic institution. Discipline will be administered by the commandants of
the CMCs, or,
in the case of officer cadets attending civilian academic
institutions, by the base commander of the support unit.
48. Clothing, Equipment and Dress. An officer cadet:
a. shall be issued clothing and equipment as prescribed by NDHQ;
b. shall wear the dress ordered by the CMC commandant during the
academic year if attending a CMC, and the dress ordered by the
unit CO during summer training; and
c. attending a civilian academic institution shall not wear uniform
except when it is required for military duties or when attending
exercises, parades or social functions of a military nature.
Likewise QR&O 4.02 and 17.02
4.02 – GENERAL RESPONSIBILITIES OF OFFICERS
4.02 – RESPONSABILITÉS GÉNÉRALES DES OFFICIERS
(1) An officer shall:
(1) Un officier doit :
(a) become acquainted with, observe and enforce:
a) connaître, observer et faire respecter :
(i) the National Defence Act,
(i) la Loi sur la défense nationale,
(ii) the Security of Information Act, (5 June 2008)
(ii) la Loi sur la protection de l’information,
(5 juin 2008)
(iii) QR&O, and
(iii) les ORFC,
(iv) all other regulations, rules, orders and instructions that pertain to the performance of the officer’s duties;
(iv) tous les autres règlements, règles, ordres et directives se rapportant à l’exercice de ses fonctions;
(b) afford to all persons employed in the public service such assistance in the performance of their duties as is practical;
b) donner à toutes personnes employées au service de l’État l’aide qu’il peut dans l’accomplissement de leurs fonctions;
(c) promote the welfare, efficiency and good discipline of all subordinates;
c) promouvoir le bien-être, l’efficacité et l’esprit de discipline de tous les subordonnés;
(d) ensure the proper care and maintenance, and prevent the waste, of all public and non-public property within the officer’s control; and
d) assurer le soin et l’entretien convenables de tous les biens publics et biens non publics qui relèvent de son autorité et en empêcher le gaspillage;
(e) report to the proper authority any infringement of the pertinent statutes, regulations, rules, orders and instructions governing the conduct of any person subject to the Code of Service Discipline when the officer cannot deal adequately with the matter.
e) signaler aux autorités compétentes toute infraction aux lois, règlements, règles, ordres et directives pertinents qui régissent la conduite de toute personne justiciable du code de discipline militaire quand il ne peut régler la question lui-même de façon satisfaisante.
(M) (9 May 2008 effective 5 June 2008)
(M) (9 mai 2008 en vigueur le 5 juin 2008)(C)
(C)
17.02 – PERSONAL APPEARANCE
17.02 – TENUE
The dress and appearance of officers and non-commissioned members shall on all occasions be such as to reflect credit on the Service.
Tous les officiers et militaires du rang doivent en toute occasion faire honneur aux forces armées tant par sa mise que par sa tenue.
