What's the Dumbest Thing You've SEEN Today?
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jollyjacktar
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Who in their right mind lets their kid try a full auto Uzi at 9 years old. 
Parents let their children participate in all sorts of hazardous activities.
Ranges are among the safest places on the planet. A lot of effort is expended to ensure that. Regardless, safety cannot be guaranteed. Nor can it be guaranteed anywhere else.
Statistically, the most dangerous aspect of such shooting activities is the drive to and from the range. Who in their right mind would let a kid be a passenger in a car?
More kids drown in backyard pools than die in firearms accidents. Who in their right mind would let a kid near a backyard pool?
Society considers drowning and mangling inside of a crushed car to be more acceptable, however, because swimming and driving (and snowmobiling, and skiing, and a host of other hazardous activities ) regarded as more "normal". Regardless of the relative hazard, those dangerous things are never questioned.
Ranges are among the safest places on the planet. A lot of effort is expended to ensure that. Regardless, safety cannot be guaranteed. Nor can it be guaranteed anywhere else.
Statistically, the most dangerous aspect of such shooting activities is the drive to and from the range. Who in their right mind would let a kid be a passenger in a car?
More kids drown in backyard pools than die in firearms accidents. Who in their right mind would let a kid near a backyard pool?
Society considers drowning and mangling inside of a crushed car to be more acceptable, however, because swimming and driving (and snowmobiling, and skiing, and a host of other hazardous activities ) regarded as more "normal". Regardless of the relative hazard, those dangerous things are never questioned.
George Wallace
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I would suspect that one or more of the safeties on the UZI were 'modified/tampered with'.
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"Ronald Scott, a Phoenix-based firearms safety expert, said most shooting ranges have an age limit and strict safety rules when teaching children to shoot. He said instructors usually have their hands on guns when children are firing high-powered weapons.
"You can't give a 9-year-old an Uzi and expect her to control it," Scott said."
In my experience, the part in yellow applies to all ages and all situations in at a range, not just when teaching.
At the clubs I attended, you should see how fast you lost your shooting privileges if you broke any of the safety rules.
"You can't give a 9-year-old an Uzi and expect her to control it," Scott said."
In my experience, the part in yellow applies to all ages and all situations in at a range, not just when teaching.
At the clubs I attended, you should see how fast you lost your shooting privileges if you broke any of the safety rules.
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Oldgateboatdriver said:
A hand on the gun would mean the instructor would be alive today. While a 9 year old girl should be able to handle an Uzi's recoil, she would have no appreciation of what was actually coming.
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Based on......?George Wallace said:
If she was in the bay and in the process of firing, the selector switch likely wasn't on 'safe.' Holding the weapon to fire, obviously the pistol grip safety was depressed. Those are the only two safeties I've seen on an Uzi.
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Rocky Mountains said:
Agreed regarding a hand on the gun.
The video cuts off from where the gun slipped from the girl's grip and pointed towards the instructor. He was supporting her back with his right hand and her elbows with his left...
Lesson learned for everyone. Poor kid, though.
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Journeyman said:
I was wondering about the pistol grip safety, as it takes a bit of pressure, and wondering if she would have had that size of hand and strength to keep it depressed.
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Loachman said:
Well there you have it. I guess it is ok to let a nine-year-old shoot an Uzi afterall... stand-down everyone.
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Yes, they do. And many also teach their kids how to shoot safely on a range etc. But, I'm sorry, as far as I'm concerned letting this child engage in that activity was a poor decision as events proved. Teach her how to use a firearm more her speed by all means, not a Uzi on full auto. You won't convince otherwise.Loachman said:
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jollyjacktar said:
Teaching a nine year old to shoot an automatic weapon like an Uzi is ridiculous. It's like taking a 16 year old and giving them an hours instruction in a 200 MPH NASCAR car then letting them hit the streets.
I doubt that she was the first child of that age to fire that weapon on that range, and I doubt that that range is the only one in the US that permits nine-year-olds to shoot such weapons. That this incident generates prominent international coverage is testimony to the rarity of such an unfortunate result. How many similar tragedies can you count?
Fine. Don't let your kids do this. I do not have a problem with that, any more than I have a problem with parents who would. Parents should have the right to decide the nature and level of hazards to which they are willing to expose their children, after due consideration of the risks involved. And most parents don't give any thought whatsoever to the risks involved in more-dangerous but "normal" activities.
There was close, experienced adult supervision in this case, who seemed quite comfortable coaching the girl. I'd bet that he had done that many times without incident. Again, this indicates a trouble-free history and low risk activity.
Fine. Don't let your kids do this. I do not have a problem with that, any more than I have a problem with parents who would. Parents should have the right to decide the nature and level of hazards to which they are willing to expose their children, after due consideration of the risks involved. And most parents don't give any thought whatsoever to the risks involved in more-dangerous but "normal" activities.
There was close, experienced adult supervision in this case, who seemed quite comfortable coaching the girl. I'd bet that he had done that many times without incident. Again, this indicates a trouble-free history and low risk activity.
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Tell that to his widow.
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Just watched this on tonights news. They showed the video, the girl had just fired a round off on single shot, and the instructor then switched the weapon to auto (or maybe burst). As the previous descriptions said, she could not control the recoil on auto, weapon goes vertical, and the video stops at that point.
They interviewed someone from the range (Bullets and Burgers in Arizona) and he indicated that range policy is children 8 years and over can fire any weapon they have there as long as they are supervised by an adult or an instructor.
Link to the ranges website: http://bulletsandburgers.com
Apparently the family was on a vacation trip from New Jersey and decided to stop in.
They interviewed someone from the range (Bullets and Burgers in Arizona) and he indicated that range policy is children 8 years and over can fire any weapon they have there as long as they are supervised by an adult or an instructor.
Link to the ranges website: http://bulletsandburgers.com
Apparently the family was on a vacation trip from New Jersey and decided to stop in.
Wow....just, wow.... :not-again:
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All right everyone. Loachman is providing salient points in a non aggressive way. If you want to engage him, do so in a civil manner.
Boiled down, there was nothing illegal, there was a lapse in judgment and an accident happened. There's no need to get hysterical and running off to self flagellate with knotted ropes.
Leave the sarcastic shit at the door and try stay on the course of intelligent human interaction and discuss things in a mature way.
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Boiled down, there was nothing illegal, there was a lapse in judgment and an accident happened. There's no need to get hysterical and running off to self flagellate with knotted ropes.
Leave the sarcastic shit at the door and try stay on the course of intelligent human interaction and discuss things in a mature way.
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