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US Election: 2016

Chris Pook said:
On the other hand - there are Brit political charities as well

VazDancer-medium.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/04/keith-vaz-to-be-probed-over-charity-payments-to-prostitutes-alle/


What a great time to be alive, I tell you.

Every culture has something to share with the world.

However, Man Love Thursdays is not one of them.

That one, they can keep at home.
 
>I do agree with the principle of ministerial responsibility but there's a limit when the failure is one where the minister inherits a faulty system and isn't advised on how to fix it.

In this case, the minister didn't inherit a faulty system - the minister directed that a system be set up, and didn't tear it down after being informed that it was against policy and regulations.
 
Baden Guy said:
Charity watch gives Clinton Foundation an "A" rating.

https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478

I dont see how the Clinton Foundation will keep its tax exempt status since it clearly benefits the Clintons directly.

Amend 6 years of tax returns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-foundation-tax-forms_us_564ae72be4b08cda348a6239

Congressional concerns.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2016/07/29/irs-will-look-into-congressional-concerns-involving-clinton-foundation/#75bd7524bf19
 
recceguy said:
Every culture has something to share with the world.

However, Man Love Thursdays is not one of them.

That one, they can keep at home.

This politician in the photo is under fire for hiring male prostitutes.  Apparently he likes, Thursdays...  >:D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775190/You-ve-got-time-Vaz-No-confidence-vote-looms-disgraced-MP-tries-cling-job.html
 
[:D
 

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An interesting book at how Trump can win the election. This is also unusual in looking at how the Libertarians and Greens are potentially affecting the election. Maps on link:

https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2016/09/07/wargaming-the-electoral-college-41/?singlepage=true

Wargaming the Electoral College
BY STEPHEN GREEN SEPTEMBER 7, 2016 CHAT 11 COMMENTS

You've probably seen the above map already, or ones very much like it, showing Hillary Clinton's prohibitive lead in the Electoral College. In my previous Wargaming column from four weeks ago, Clinton's worst-case scenario gave her a squeaker 273-265. And that, I must reiterate, was her worst-case outcome as of just four weeks ago.

But then Donald Trump went to Mexico in what might prove to have been a game-changer. It is already at the very least a direction-changer -- if the massive new WaPo/SurveyMonkey poll is to be believed.

Let's look at the maps based on that poll of nearly 75,000 voters.

First, a caveat. SurveyMonkey's poll is only of Registered Voters, and this close to Election Day you really want to start whittling your results down to likely voters. Here's what SurveyMonkey said about it:

This Washington Post-SurveyMonkey 50-state poll was conducted online Aug. 9 - Sept. 1 among 74,886 registered voters. The sample was drawn among the respondents who completed user-generated polls using SurveyMonkey’s platform during this period, and results are weighted to match demographic characteristics of registered voters in each state. No margins of sampling error are calculated, as this statistic is only applicable to randomly sampled surveys.

That aside, the sheer size of the sample plus SM's weighting method ought to be more than enough to lend credence to their numbers.

When I began the 2016 Wargaming series in July, I showed you Trump's "northern route" to 270, taking the fight through PA, OH, MI, WI, and MN. By August that route had appeared to have closed. But if we look at SurveyMonkey's results from the four-way race (GOP, Dem, Libertarian, Green) we see that that route may have re-opened.

In the map above, I've colored states where either Trump or Clinton has at least a four-point lead over the other. The results look much like they did two months ago, with Clinton comfortably above 200, and Trump uncomfortably well below 150.

But let's look a little deeper.

Leaners with a 3-point margin.
To get a feel for the leaners, I've taken the states where Clinton or Trump has a three-point lead, and colored them in a lighter shade of blue or red -- and shockingly, Texas and Colorado are still unshaded.

Gary Johnson seems to be sucking the life out of Clinton in Colorado, and out of Trump in Texas. He's also hurting Trump in Arizona and North Carolina, and putting the squeeze on Clinton in Wisconsin and Michigan.

Unsurprisingly, Nevada and PA are going blue in this map, and Florida remains as delightfully crazy and un-callable as ever.

But what about those elusive Likely Voters -- the voters who actually, you know, vote? It's a well-established political fact that pool of Likely Voters lean more Republican than the broader field of Registered Voters, typically by two to four points.

So what if I were to put my thumb of SurveyMonkey's scale, and spot Trump three points across the board?

Likely Voter Edge
BOOM.

Clinton has the same 218 Electoral College votes we saw on the initial SurveyMonkey map, but Trump has shot up to a slim lead of 239, if we include the new leaners. And that "northern route" I first mentioned two months ago is almost wide open, with Clinton retaining her lock only on Minnesota. Ohio, which no Republican has ever been elected without winning, now leans Trump. And MI, PA, and WI are up for grabs.

The only holdout out west is NV, and Florida -- as ever! -- remains as delightfully crazy and un-callable as ever.

Earlier today the Washington Post reported that "despite long odds," Trump was making his biggest media buy to date in Virginia. And indeed those odds are long, as VA hasn't budged from blue in weeks, and not even the surpassingly strong third-party runs of Johnson and Jill Stein are making a dent in Clinton's lead there.

Trump instead ought to look west to the Rocky Mountains, and north, north, north to the Rust Belt states which Democrats have taken for granted -- and run into the ground -- for decades.

(All maps created with 270toWin's iPad app, which is highly recommended. Perfect for fiddling with on the sofa while you watch the news. If you prefer to do your wargaming in a browser tab, the website is great, too.)

Of course reading tea leaves like this is always problematic, but it is refreshing to see some analysis from outside the Legacy Media bubble.
 
What I find interesting is how much of a lead Trump has with independents.  And it seems more republicans support Trump than democrats support Clinton. 

Still, I'm not sure he'll win the electoral college vote.  Those are the numbers that will really matter.
 
If he wins the popular vote but loses on the Electoral College, I think you'll see a big move to reform how the US votes.

It's amazing the amount of people in the US that don't realize their vote really doesn't mean anything, in the big scheme of things. If the Electoral College goes against the population, it'll only be about a week before everyone, in the US, finds this out and starts making noise.

Besides, we'll have to get ready for the inevitable recounts. The charges of voter fraud and the investigations that'll be started after Nov 15.
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
Why?

They hardly bated an eye the year Bush Jr. lost the popular vote but won the Electoral College.

Yep.  And a few times before that too.

This educational resource actually explains the electoral vote vs popular vote, the many times they conflicted and how someone's vote counts in the system.  Apparently Alsakans have the more powerful vote.

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/lessons/davidwalbert7232004-02/electoralcollege.html

Interesting stuff.  The simple explanations is that you aren't voting for a president nationally, you are voting for a president by state.  Which is why the polls may not reflect how the electoral college will go.

 
Why?

They hardly bated an eye the year Bush Jr. lost the popular vote but won the Electoral College.

Because maybe if it keeps happening, they will get fed up...
 
The author overlooks one BIG point in the data coming out of the NBC / Survey Monkey poll is that states that are typically strong Republican states in past elections are now toss-up states (specifically Texas, Mississippi, Georgia and North Carolina). Texas hasn't voted a Democrat for President since 1968 when Humphrey won Texas, but Nixon won the election.

http://texasalmanac.com/topics/elections/presidential-elections-and-primaries-texas-1848-2012

I also take exception with "putting his thumb on the scale" and giving Trump 3 points across the board. Clinton leads in that survey in Texas by 1 percentage point. Giving Trump 3 points only results in him being up by 2 points, which still falls within the margin of error.

But the downside for Clinton from this data, as well as some of the other polls coming out is that she is losing ground, but the votes are not going to Trump. Trump isn't making any significant gains in most of the recent polls (as has been the case since the convention if you look back that far). But if you look at the same polls taken in July, they show that Clinton's votes are either going to 3rd party candidates or are now undecided.

You can really only take away 3 things form this poll:

1) It's currently Clinton's game to lose, and she needs to make sure the drop in numbers doesn't carry through to Nov. 8th.

2) Trump has an almost impossible task if he wants to get elected, and if he wants to win, he needs to start making gains in numbers outside his base.

3) This year cannot be considered normal or typical by any stretch of the imagination, and the board is getting turned upside down.
 
Remius said:
Interesting stuff.  The simple explanations is that you aren't voting for a president nationally, you are voting for a president by state.  Which is why the polls may not reflect how the electoral college will go.

That's not exactly true. You are casting a vote for the state Electors who then in turn cast votes to select the Vice President and then the President. Some states bind the electors to the winner of the state's popular vote in the general election, others distribute the electors proportionally according to the states results in the general election. Some states don't bind their electors to the results, which means they could vote contrary to the will of the voters.

And even then, if the electoral college vote results in a tie, then it goes to the House of Representatives to decide who becomes President and the Senate to decide who becomes Vice President.

But having said all that, the state level polls when analyzed in combination more accurately reflect the electoral college than national level polls which reflect the popular vote (or supposedly do).
 
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I watched the Commander-In-Chief Forum tonight, and really didn't come away with a warm fuzzy for either candidate. Clinton tried to deal with the e-mail issue and again failed, falling back to the usual lawyer speak and technicalities. Trump just reinforced that he really hasn't got a clue, and you need to hope that if he is elected that his advisors are competent and solid, not just yes men.

Trump suggests he’ll fire the generals

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-suggests-fire-the-generals-227862

Donald Trump tread into highly sensitive territory Wednesday night when he suggested that if elected he might fire some of the top generals now running the military.

As the Republican presidential nominee slammed the foreign policy of President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, he also targeted the top officers who have served under them, who are not political appointees and have defined terms of appointment.

Individual generals and admirals have traditionally been removed from their posts for misconduct or a failure to perform their duties. Cashiering a group of them en masse would be unheard of — and could irrevocably tarnish the perception that the military remains an institution divorced from politics.

“Under the leadership of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, I think the generals have been reduced to rubble,” Trump said at the NBC News Commander in Chief Forum, where he and his opponent Clinton appeared. “They have been reduced to a point where it’s embarrassing to our country.”

Later in the interview with NBC’s Matt Lauer, Trump suggested that when he seeks the military's advice on how to defeat the Islamic State “they’d probably be different generals, to be honest with you."

The comments could make for an awkward introduction between Trump and Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, the current Joint Chiefs chairman, the top adviser to the commander-in-chief. Dunford has a two-year term that ends September 2017 — a position that is normally extended for another two years.

In fact, the entire roster of the Joint Chiefs has turned over in the last two years, including the four-star officers heading each branch of the military who also traditionally serve a total of four years. That means the top military leadership now advising the president will all be in place for some time when the next administration takes office.

It could also sour relations with the set of so-called combatant commanders that run military operations in various geographic regions of the world, including at the U.S. Central and European Commands that have a major role in fighting the Islamic State.

Dunford has gone out of his way to urge all troops to stay out of politics this year, citing concerns that the military could be politicized. Some top officers worry privately that if they are perceived to have political leanings one way or the other a President Trump could fire them, making it very difficult for the top brass to regain its reputation of impartiality.

T6, correct me if I'm wrong, but since the senior command posts are congressional appointments, can the President even move to fire them?
 
cupper said:
Trump suggests he’ll fire the generals


T6, correct me if I'm wrong, but since the senior command posts are congressional appointments, can the President even move to fire them?

Didn't President Truman fire General MacArthur?
 
And I'm sorry, but Matt Lauer sucks at being a moderator. As I said in my previous post I didn't come away with the warm fuzzys for either of them.

NBC's Lauer puts Clinton, Trump on defensive in Commander-in-Chief Forum

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-trump-commander-forum-227860

NEW YORK — Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump each immediately found themselves on the defensive as they faced off at the general election's first candidate forum Wednesday night, as the former secretary of state was forced to justify her private email arrangement at the State Department and her vote to authorize the war in Iraq — while the businessman was confronted with his qualifications for the White House, his past controversial statements about the military, and his apparent ties to Russian president Vladimir Putin.

“I have a lot of experience dealing with classified material,” Clinton said at the Commander-in-Chief Forum in response to a question about her email arrangement and her handling of secret information.

“Classified material has a header which has ’top secret,’ ’secret,’ ‘confidential. Nothing — and I will repeat this, and this is verified in the report by the Department of Justice, none of the emails sent or received by me had such a header,” she said of a recent controversy in which Trump has criticized her for not knowing what “C” markings on her email meant.

Speaking to veterans and moderator Matt Lauer at the Intrepid Sea, Air, and Space Museum here at an event hosted by NBC News and the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, it took Clinton nearly one-third of her allotted half-hour of questions-and-answers to hit Trump after Lauer asked her not to, but her opening answer — that a commander-in-chief must have “absolute rock steadiness” — was also a potential shot at him.

Clinton noted that Trump, who appeared at the forum separately, supported invading Iraq, as well, but found herself forced to answer yet again why she had voted for the move.

"I think the decision to go to war in Iraq, and I have said that my voting to give President Bush that authority was, from my perspective, my mistake,” she said, also promising yet again not to commit ground troops to Iraq ever again. “I also believe that it is imperative that we learn from the mistakes like after action reports are supposed to do, so we must learn what led us down that path so it never happens again."

Trump, appearing after Clinton, insisted to Lauer that he had opposed the war — despite evidence to the contrary — quickly turning to criticize the current state of American foreign policy under President Barack Obama.

Faced with his past statement that he knows more about ISIS than “the generals,” Trump responded that those same generals he would have to work with “have been reduced to rubble” under the leadership of Obama.

Insisting that had he been running Iraq operations he would instruct forces to “take the oil” there, the real estate developer refused to reveal whether or not he has a full plan for combating ISIS, maintaining that his unpredictability is important in this situation.

“I have a substantial chance of winning, but if I win I don’t want to broadcast [the plan],” he said. “The fact is, we have had the worst — and you could say the dumbest — foreign policy."

Appearing to break from his hardline immigration stance by suggesting he would be open to allowing undocumented immigrants who intended to serve the chance to stay in the country, Trump also defended his relationship with Putin — one on which Clinton and Democrats have pounced.

“I think when he calls me brilliant I’ll take the compliment, but it’s not going to get him anywhere,” Trump told Lauer, who had just listed a roster of controversial Trump actions, leading up to his apparent ties to the hack of the Democratic National Committee earlier this year.

Trump responded that Putin has an 82 percent approval rating in Russia: “He’s been a leader far more than our president has been a leader."
And, as part of his answer to a question posed a father who said his daughter was concerned about sexual assault in the military, Trump also stood by a past tweet apparently suggesting that it may not be surprising when men and women serve together.

The forum comes in the wake of new NBC News/Survey Monkey polling showing that Trump holds a substantial lead over Clinton when it comes to military and veteran voters — 55 percent to 36 percent overall. However, as the two campaigns spar over the numbers of military endorsers each has, Trump’s numbers are lower than either Mitt Romney's (2012) or John McCain’s (2008) compared to Barack Obama.

After a summer of Clinton bombarding Trump’s fitness for the office and a stretch in which he saw his support waver after clashing with the parents of a deceased soldier, however, this week’s pitches are not just targeted at the significant military community: they are each campaign’s latest attempt to appeal to middle class voters concerned about national security and their own safety.

While Trump has gone after Clinton over her private email arrangement as Secretary of State, the Democrat has responded by pointing out some of his policy inconsistencies on the trail and specifically identifying his apparent ties to Russia as particularly troubling.

Prior to the event, members of the Trump team spent pieces of the morning playing defense after Clinton’s super PAC, Priorities USA Action, promoted an ad that prominently featured the candidate declaring his love for war, the latest in a series of spots from both the campaign and super PAC making the case that Trump is far too inconsistent and unpredictable to sit in the Oval Office when it comes to leading the military or having control of the nuclear codes. But on Wednesday, the man who once promised to “bomb the hell out of ISIS" spun the accusations right back to his opponent.

“The current strategy of toppling regimes, with no plan for what to do the day after, only produces power vacuums that are filled by terrorists,” Trump said earlier in the day at a speech in Philadelphia. “Immediately after taking office, I will ask my generals to present me with a plan within 30 days to defeat and destroy ISIS."

Still, Trump’s scripted speech — which proposed eliminating the sequester and investing more in the various arms of the service — mostly zeroed in on his opponent.

“Unlike my opponent, my foreign policy will emphasize diplomacy, not destruction. Hillary Clinton’s legacy in Iraq, Libya, and Syria has produced only turmoil and suffering,” he said in Pennsylvania, skipping over his own one-time support for intervention in some of those conflicts.

“Sometimes it has seemed like there wasn’t a country in the Middle East that Hillary Clinton didn’t want to invade, intervene or topple. She is trigger-happy and unstable when it comes to war."
 
Trump turns defense hawk
For months, Donald Trump has blasted Congress for excessive defense spending. Not anymore.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-turns-defense-hawk-227855

For months, Donald Trump has blasted Congress for excessive defense spending, calling for buying fewer of the newest fighter jets and scaling back weapons purchases pushed by “special interests."

But on Wednesday, he was singing from the traditional GOP national security hymnal, calling for billions of additional dollars for a bigger Army and Marine Corps, missile defense systems and more ships and fighter jets. He also advocated an end to mandatory budget caps — the same ones he used to criticize as too loose.

It is the latest sign that a candidate who has alienated many bedrock Republican voters is trying to steer toward a more mainstream message that can resonate with party stalwarts and independent voters concerned about an erosion of American security and credibility on the world stage.

While many of Trump’s proposals would be difficult, if not impossible, to execute, the blueprint — drawn heavily from the conservative Heritage Foundation that provided much of the intellectual underpinning of Ronald Reagan’s arms buildup in the 1980s — signals he is hewing much closer to Republican orthodoxy on military issues as he enters the final stretch of the White House race.

“I am one of the original Never Trumpers — and unreconstructed in that regard — but taking the speech on its face you could put my name on it almost,” said Thomas Donnelly, co-director of the Marilyn Ware Center for Security Studies at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. “This is the most like a traditional conservative Republican I can remember Donald Trump sounding, especially on national security and defense."

Trump’s push for more military spending, outlined in a Philadelphia speech ahead of a “commander in chief” forum Wednesday evening, is striking in part because of his previous statements on defense and foreign policy — from flippant and ill-informed comments about the nuclear arsenal to questioning the continued relevance of the NATO alliance — that have left Republican defense hawks shaking their heads.
His national security pronouncements have led a number of high-profile Republican defense and foreign policy experts and former officials to instead back his opponent, Hillary Clinton.

In his speech, however, Trump, reading from a teleprompter, struck a decidedly different tone. And he reversed course on a several fronts.
For example, he said he would ask his generals for a plan within 30 days to defeat and destroy the Islamic State. Previously he said he knew more than the generals about ISIL.

He also pledged to end the across-the-board budget cuts known as sequester that are opposed by members of both parties.

"As soon as I take office, I will ask Congress to fully eliminate the defense sequester and will submit a new budget to rebuild our military," Trump said. "This will increase certainty in the defense community as to funding, and will allow military leaders to plan for our future defense needs."

But in 2013, Trump applauded the cuts — and even said they didn't go far enough to cut wasteful government spending.
Paul Ryan slammed the Obama administration after POLITICO revealed an internal memo that said the Pentagon was going to play "hardball" with his budget.

Trump is also now calling for boosting the size of the active-duty Army to 540,000, up from the current 475,000. He proposes a Marine Corps of 36 battalions and 1,200 fighter aircraft, proposals both originating from The Heritage Foundation. He also proposed a 350-ship Navy, versus the current fleet that hovers under 280, an objective raised by the bipartisan National Defense Panel in 2014 — and was a common goal of Trump’s rivals in the Republican primary.

The Republican nominee’s proposals to boost the military budget also mirror much of what House and Senate Republicans are pressing for in the defense authorization and appropriations bills.

"To the extent he or anybody else agrees with me, I like that," quipped House Armed Services Chairman Mac Thornberry (R-Texas), who has not endorsed Trump. "What a lot of Americans have heard is a lot of name-calling and so forth, but Americans are very concerned about national security. They are anxious for serious, substantive answers to that challenges we face."
Trump's supporters characterized the speech as reflecting the candidate's evolving views.

“I think Donald Trump has gotten more and more concerned about the state of the United States and the status of the United States in the world,” Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), a chief adviser to Trump, told POLITICO. “And that he’s reached a decision that we need a stronger military. When he makes those decisions, he laid out some explicit and significant improvements and strengthening of the Defense Department.”

The speech also received a warm reception from other Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill.
"It’s a great step that both candidates, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, have called for an end of sequester on defense,” said Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio), a senior House Armed Services member.

Turner, who is a vocal advocate of NATO, acknowledged that some of Trump’s past comments on NATO were “naive.” But he added that Trump was “coming around on recognizing that the United States moves through the most strategic areas in which we operate, through NATO.”

Asked about Trump’s speech, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said: “On our side of the aisle, almost everyone feels defense is underfunded and we will be dealing with that challenge.”
Others have yet to come around.

Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), who is not supporting Trump, said that he still wanted to hear the GOP nominee articulate more on foreign policy issues like Russia and China, but added that the military spending piece was a start.
“The devil is in the details,” Kinzinger noted.

Indeed, much of what Trump is proposing would cost tens of billions of dollars, at least. And the goal of ending the sequester for the Pentagon has been elusive for Republicans in Congress for the past five years, with the Budget Control Act spending caps still in place through the next president’s first term.

Todd Harrison, a defense budget guru at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said there weren’t enough details to provide an accurate price tag on Trump’s proposals, but he pointed to the National Defense Panel’s estimate of about $800 billion to $900 billion more than Obama’s most recent budget proposal over a 10-year-period.

Mackenzie Eaglen, a defense analyst at AEI, estimated the tab to be $50 billion to $60 billion per year above the current budget caps.

“It is highly unlikely the next president would be able to push through a defense spending increase of this magnitude given all of the other pressures on the federal budget,” Harrison said. “It would require some combination of more borrowing, offsetting spending cuts elsewhere, or tax increases — none of which have been politically viable for the past five years."

Former House Armed Services Chairman Buck McKeon (R-Calif.), who retired from Congress in 2015, said he thinks Trump’s new proposals for strengthening the military could help win over some in his own party who remain wary of his approach to national security.

“I hope so. I think it’s a start," he said in an interview. “A couple things stand out to me immediately: getting rid of sequestration and asking the generals for [a] plan to defeat and destroy ISIS immediately. And I like his idea of starting to build the strength back. The size of our force is almost scary — how much we have cut back in such a short time.”

But what struck most about the speech was how unlike Donald Trump it sounded.

“This was a conventional speech," said Rudy deLeon, a former deputy secretary of Defense who is now at the left-leaning Center for American progress. "They are conventional [proposals] because traditionalists came up with them.”

Added Donnelly of AEI: "To hear Donald Trump cite the National Defense Panel is a positive development."
 
mariomike said:
Didn't President Truman fire General MacArthur?

Apparently so. I may stand corrected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Truman%27s_relief_of_General_Douglas_MacArthur

On 11 April 1951, U.S. President Harry S. Truman relieved General of the Army Douglas MacArthur of his commands after MacArthur made public statements which contradicted the administration's policies. MacArthur was a popular hero of World War II who was then the commander of United Nations forces fighting in the Korean War, and his relief remains a controversial topic in the field of civil-military relations....

The Senate Armed Services Committee and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee held a joint inquiry into the military situation and the circumstances surrounding MacArthur's relief, and concluded that "the removal of General MacArthur was within the constitutional powers of the President but the circumstances were a shock to national pride."

Truman's orders to MacArthur which were issued under Gen Bradley's signature:

I deeply regret that it becomes my duty as President and Commander-in-Chief of the United States military forces to replace you as Supreme Commander, Allied Powers; Commander-in-Chief, United Nations Command; Commander-in-Chief, Far East; and Commanding General, U.S. Army, Far East.

You will turn over your commands, effective at once, to Lt. Gen. Matthew B. Ridgway. You are authorized to have issued such orders as are necessary to complete desired travel to such place as you select.

My reasons for your replacement, will be made public concurrently with the delivery to you of the foregoing order, and are contained in the next following message.

Best quote by Truman:

I fired him because he wouldn't respect the authority of the President. I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that's not against the law for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail.
 
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