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at the timetomahawk6 said:Before Obama Libya,Syria and Iraq were relatively stable.After Obama engineered the so called arab spring there remains two stable countries SA and Israel.The jury is out on Turkey.
"Relatively stable" is a subjective term so there isn't much sense arguing about it. In April of 2008 Petraeus urged congress to delay troop withdrawals, saying, "I've repeatedly noted that we haven't turned any corners, we haven't seen any lights at the end of the tunnel". By Feb 2009 Obama announced the US would end combat operation by 31 Aug 2010. I can concede that for a brief time, Iraq had a measure of stability it didn't have during the period from the Bush invasion and the debacle of the L Paul Bremer's Coalition Provisional Authority and up to 2008 and then after 2011.
I strongly disagree with the suggestion that Obama "engineered" the Arab Spring. It started more or less spontaneously in Tunisia on Dec 18th, 2010 with the self-immolation of Mohamed Bouazizi and carried on in cascading protests that spread to Algeria, Jordan, Oman, Egypt, Yemen, Djibouti, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, Bahrain, Libyia, Kuwait, Morocco, Mauritania, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, the UAE, and Palestine. I have seen no evidence that the US "engineered" these events but only that they had to quickly learn to react and tread the narrow path in providing humanitarian support and in fostering the movements for democratic government. I think that the issues facing the US at the time were best summed up by Henry Kissinger in an article in early 2012 where he stated at the end:
The U.S. conduct during the Arab upheavals has so far been successful in avoiding placing America as an obstacle to the revolutionary transformations. This is not a minor achievement. But it is just one component of a successful approach. U.S. policy will, in the end, also be judged by whether what emerges from the Arab Spring improves the reformed states’ responsibility towards the international order and humane institutions.
http://www.henryakissinger.com/articles/iht040212.html
I think reasonable persons may argue as to how successful or not the Obama administration was in responding to the Arab Spring but I would suggest that to say they "engineered" it is going too far.
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