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U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

Because in opposition that's his job, and I expect he will face that from his opposition.
I understand the role of HMLO, and also understand that Question Period is theatre, but I would be happier if every now again, maybe in a safe environment like addressing the Lions Club or something, that he would put on a leadership hat and give us a sense of his vision for Canada is. And it should go beyond talking points like 'axe the tax'. It doesn't even has to touch on actual platform or policy points - it could well be higher than that; at a 'I have a dream' level.

I would like this from all of our leaders and wannabe leaders. It's be a long time since we've any kind of statesmanship in this country. It's also be a long time since we've had bipartisanship on anything substantial. Polarization is getting us nowhere.

A big part of the problem is there is too much power concentrated in the PMO. Trudeau the First set us down that road but I've never seen evidence that any party has seriously tried to correct it. Parliament and caucus - you know, the folks we actually elected - need to regain their rightful roles. The likes of Butts and Telford, yes even those staffers who will sit at the right hand of PP, need to be out of the PMO, preferably out of the building.
 
I'm guess it is all one-way.
That's not true at all, there are convoys of Americans coming here for basic things like insulin. Which, you may recall, had the patents essentially given away so people had access to life saving medication (that is cheap to make).
 
I understand the role of HMLO, and also understand that Question Period is theatre, but I would be happier if every now again, maybe in a safe environment like addressing the Lions Club or something, that he would put on a leadership hat and give us a sense of his vision for Canada is. And it should go beyond talking points like 'axe the tax'. It doesn't even has to touch on actual platform or policy points - it could well be higher than that; at a 'I have a dream' level.

I would like this from all of our leaders and wannabe leaders. It's be a long time since we've any kind of statesmanship in this country. It's also be a long time since we've had bipartisanship on anything substantial. Polarization is getting us nowhere.

A big part of the problem is there is too much power concentrated in the PMO. Trudeau the First set us down that road but I've never seen evidence that any party has seriously tried to correct it. Parliament and caucus - you know, the folks we actually elected - need to regain their rightful roles. The likes of Butts and Telford, yes even those staffers who will sit at the right hand of PP, need to be out of the PMO, preferably out of the building.

I think he's shown what your looking for I'm his various speeches and interviews.

I wish he would stop with the nicknames. That's my only complaint and it's really a non issue.
 
If you’re talking about the U.S. medical system then, yes, it is great…that is if you are rich or work for the U.S. government. I grew up in the midwest U.S. and experienced first hand the greed, corruption and bureaucracy of their HMO system. My sister lost her job and her medical coverage just as she found out she had terminal cancer. My father who was enrolled in an HMO incurred several hundred thousand dollars in bills as a result of his heart operation. What my relatives went through I wouldn’t want my worst enemy to experience. Yes, the Canadian system isn’t what it used to be but I’ll take what we have here over what the U.S. has any day. Even Sarah Palin, when she was running as John McCain’s VP candidate, used to diss the Canadian system as socialist and inferior until she confessed to a reporter that her own relatives frequently would cross the border and use our system because they didn’t like what they had. Finally, my late uncle was a doctor (General Practice) in Missouri and said he only wished that the medical system there was like what we have here.

We have doctors leaving in droves, in part to Liberal taxes and another part (jewish doctors) due to anti-semitism, nurses and hospital staff burnt out, insane immigration levels which puts more strain on our already depleted system and less access to "free" care than ever before. You won't go bankrupt in Canada, you'll just die.
 
Side note and personal experience. My wife got rear ended by a hit and run driver in 2004. It screwed her up with brain injury for 4 years. There was an unusual medical procedure to help with her unique injury. NOT covered by OHIP or any Canadian plan. In Canada it was going to cost us around $25,000. In the USA, out of pocket, same procedure (FDA approved) $5500 USD. Guess what? I was more than willing to go across the border and rack up the credit card for that.
Wow, that sucks.

I wonder (a) what that procedure would have been if you were American (i) with coverage or (ii) w/o coverage. It seems medical invoices down there can be 'flexible'. There's also the matter of the cost of all the preceding four years of treatment.
 
Again, I'd like to see the stats.
Probably out there on the web. My guess. Is Canadians opting for elective surgery and can pay for it will head south to get it done rather than wait.

Americans would have to pay here so why pay here when they can pay there for less wait times. There is no incentive to come here.
 
We have doctors leaving in droves, in part to Liberal taxes and another part (jewish doctors) due to anti-semitism, nurses and hospital staff burnt out, insane immigration levels which puts more strain on our already depleted system and less access to "free" care than ever before. You won't go bankrupt in Canada, you'll just die.
According the Canadian Medical Association, in 2018 (admittedly dated), 181 physicians emigrated, 143 returned. A net loss, but not much of a "drove".

Quick facts on Canada's physicians).

We need to get better at (a) certifying both foreign born/foreign trained doctors and our own citizens who have been trained abroad.
 
We have doctors leaving in droves, in part to Liberal taxes and another part (jewish doctors) due to anti-semitism, nurses and hospital staff burnt out, insane immigration levels which puts more strain on our already depleted system and less access to "free" care than ever before. You won't go bankrupt in Canada, you'll just die.
Covid contributed hugely to the number of doctors and nurses retiring. And, yes, quite a few doctors have accepted extremely lucrative job offers in the U.S., which drives up the cost of their health care even more. Too many Americans are terrified of even going to the doctor out of fear that they will have huge medical bills. The result? If it’s something like, say, cancer then the delay often results in their medical condition getting worse. That was the case with my late sister in the U.S. And, yes, she pretty much went bankrupt and ended up losing her life to cancer as well. It was a double whammy to her two adolescent daughters.
 
That's not true at all, there are convoys of Americans coming here for basic things like insulin. Which, you may recall, had the patents essentially given away so people had access to life saving medication (that is cheap to make).
And other drugs as well. There is a whole tourism industry based on this.
 
Covid contributed hugely to the number of doctors and nurses retiring. And, yes, quite a few doctors have accepted extremely lucrative job offers in the U.S., which drives up the cost of their health care even more. Too many Americans are terrified of even going to the doctor out of fear that they will have huge medical bills. The result? If it’s something like, say, cancer then the delay often results in their medical condition getting worse. That was the case with my late sister in the U.S. And, yes, she pretty much went bankrupt and ended up losing her life to cancer as well. It was a double whammy to her two adolescent daughters.
My cousin refused to go to the hospital for a concussion because of the bill he would incur. His sister’s future health care plan is her home equity.

Imagine getting a 14k bill for giving birth without insurance. Or following the recommendation of having 20k saved up even if you do have insurance as a just in case when you do give birth.
 
Probably out there on the web. My guess. Is Canadians opting for elective surgery and can pay for it will head south to get it done rather than wait.

Americans would have to pay here so why pay here when they can pay there for less wait times. There is no incentive to come here.

Its proving hard to find actual numbers.

But I did find these articles:


 
My cousin refused to go to the hospital for a concussion because of the bill he would incur. His sister’s future health care plan is her home equity.

Imagine getting a 14k bill for giving birth without insurance. Or following the recommendation of having 20k saved up even if you do have insurance as a just in case when you do give birth.
Sorry to hear that but not surprised either. My sister got a bill for $500, simply to receive a one minute meeting with her doctor (I was there when it happened) telling her she had terminal cancer. He then walked out of the room saying “I’m sorry.”
 
The Health Care situation we find ourselves in now was predicted almost two decades ago.

From 2007:

Canada’s looming acute-care crisis​

The health-care system is about to embrace the baby-boom generation and a recent symposium at Queen’s University forecast that, at best, the results will be problematic. At worst, our system may implode.

That would have been around the same time we "Boomers" who hired on after high school in the early 1970's had done our 35 years and were retiring, and becoming consumers of health care ourselves.

Since subsequent generations are typically much smaller, the service was experiencing difficulty in recruiting suitably trained replacement staff, just as demand for services was increasing.

In case the link does not open.

QUOTE

The health-care system is about to embrace the baby-boom generation and a recent symposium at Queen’s University forecast that, at best, the results will be problematic. At worst, our system may implode.

Kingston General Hospital is currently facing an acute shortage of beds. The region was shocked when, after a terrible accident on Highway 401 near Cobourg, the hospital could not accept any victims.
As one doctor told the conference last month: “How can you have a regional trauma hospital that can’t take accidents from the 401 as the intensive care unit is full and has been for months? How can you have a regional cancer centre if patients can’t get biopsied, let alone treated? (Kingston) is the leading edge of an Ontario disaster.”

There may be specific reasons for Kingston’s plight. One of the underlying causes is that the city has a much higher percentage of seniors than many other communities. But every community in Ontario will soon have many more seniors as the baby-boom generation ages.

If our hospitals are overcrowded today, what will happen when the boomers begin to show up in ever-increasing numbers?
Ten million baby boomers are now between age 40 and 60. Described as a basketball that moves along the python of life, boomers have overwhelmed every set of institutions that marked their passage: First the diaper industry, then schooling, then musical tastes, next housing, and then the job market have all had to cope with a huge scale-up in a short time period.

We are now on the cusp of health care in general, and long-term care and palliative care in particular, facing the same type of pressure.
Statistics Canada, in its 2006 portrait of seniors, paints a picture of what is coming: “The aging phenomenon is gathering speed and over the next 20 years, the number of people over the age of 65 will double. (If) current patterns remain true, at least 2 million of them will require in-home care.”

Judith Shamian, president of the Victorian Order of Nurses, states that boomers will “require decades of chronic care and disease management” and not only because of their demographic impact.

END QUOTE
 
Its proving hard to find actual numbers.

But I did find these articles:


Yeah, their dollar goes further here for sure. Things like dental care is cheaper for them here.
 
Yeah, their dollar goes further here for sure. Things like dental care is cheaper for them here.

I find it interesting we done have hard stats on something like this. At least not that I can find...
 
The Health Care situation we find ourselves in now was predicted almost two decades ago.

From 2007:

Canada’s looming acute-care crisis​

The health-care system is about to embrace the baby-boom generation and a recent symposium at Queen’s University forecast that, at best, the results will be problematic. At worst, our system may implode.

That would have been around the same time we "Boomers" who hired on after high school in the early 1970's had done our 35 years and were retiring, and becoming consumers of health care ourselves.

Since subsequent generations are typically much smaller, the service was experiencing difficulty in recruiting suitably trained replacement staff, just as demand for services was increasing.

In case the link does not open.

QUOTE

The health-care system is about to embrace the baby-boom generation and a recent symposium at Queen’s University forecast that, at best, the results will be problematic. At worst, our system may implode.
Kingston General Hospital is currently facing an acute shortage of beds. The region was shocked when, after a terrible accident on Highway 401 near Cobourg, the hospital could not accept any victims.
As one doctor told the conference last month: “How can you have a regional trauma hospital that can’t take accidents from the 401 as the intensive care unit is full and has been for months? How can you have a regional cancer centre if patients can’t get biopsied, let alone treated? (Kingston) is the leading edge of an Ontario disaster.”

There may be specific reasons for Kingston’s plight. One of the underlying causes is that the city has a much higher percentage of seniors than many other communities. But every community in Ontario will soon have many more seniors as the baby-boom generation ages.
If our hospitals are overcrowded today, what will happen when the boomers begin to show up in ever-increasing numbers?
Ten million baby boomers are now between age 40 and 60. Described as a basketball that moves along the python of life, boomers have overwhelmed every set of institutions that marked their passage: First the diaper industry, then schooling, then musical tastes, next housing, and then the job market have all had to cope with a huge scale-up in a short time period.
We are now on the cusp of health care in general, and long-term care and palliative care in particular, facing the same type of pressure.
Statistics Canada, in its 2006 portrait of seniors, paints a picture of what is coming: “The aging phenomenon is gathering speed and over the next 20 years, the number of people over the age of 65 will double. (If) current patterns remain true, at least 2 million of them will require in-home care.”
Judith Shamian, president of the Victorian Order of Nurses, states that boomers will “require decades of chronic care and disease management” and not only because of their demographic impact.

END QUOTE
The article is from 2007. Heads up on what your sharing.
 
The article is from 2007. Heads up on what your sharing.

ok.

Which is why I highlighted 2007 as a prediction of 2024/25.

The aging phenomenon is gathering speed and over the next 20 years, the number of people over the age of 65 will double.
 
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