Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[CBH99]

I'm sure the current Liberal retreat will come up with great ideas to fix the problems they created.

Double down on current policies after reviews by self-proclaimed and liberal appointed "experts".

It's worked wonders over the last neat decade, why stop now? The LPC can hear all the compliments that come with being a self licking ice cream cone while also swept away in their delusion that a vast majority of Canadians despise them.

The blue pill honestly doesn't sound too bad sometimes. Heck at times it sounds downright beautiful in a twisted sort of way

 

[CBH99]

They also don't have a mechanism for that. Martin pulled up the ladder when he ousted Chrétien.

What do you mean??

 

[Eaglelord17]

No need to be so drastic- need to do a better job promoting and delivering OYAP (Ontario Youth Apprenticeship Program) within schools - especially urban ones. A big part of that needs to be parent focused.

For those that haven't been exposed- OYAP is an extension of the co-operative education program (work for secondary school credits) that converts it to (work for secondary school credits AND apprenticeship hours).

I think there is need to be drastic. Our current education system is failing and too focused on getting a diploma instead of what that diploma is supposed to mean.

Many university and college programs are becoming worthless due to the lack of standards and instead are simply cash grabs. Let alone how valueless a high school diploma is today. You pretty much can’t fail a kid, even though they have no knowledge or understanding of what was taught.

Get a list of the skilled trades, forecast what is needed, and let students apply for them. If they don’t like it 1 year in, let them switch to something else (ex. Start as a millwright apprentice and decide it isn’t for you so switch to welding as that seems neat, etc.).

Drastic changes need to be made today as its at least 4 years to train the tradespeople, likely much longer to catch up to where we need to be. The only thing we can do is hurry up to try and lessen the pain.

Question: doesn't the german system have two senior channels, one that is academic aimed at university candidates and the other that is trade oriented?

No idea, I am just going off how my grandparents were trained in the 50s and 60s UK. It worked quite well for them.

 

[Good2Golf]

Question: doesn't the german system have two senior channels, one that is academic aimed at university candidates and the other that is trade oriented?

Netherlands as well, several cousins-in-law to the trades route.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I think there is need to be drastic. Our current education system is failing and too focused on getting a diploma instead of what that diploma is supposed to mean.

Many university and college programs are becoming worthless due to the lack of standards and instead are simply cash grabs. Let alone how valueless a high school diploma is today. You pretty much can’t fail a kid, even though they have no knowledge or understanding of what was taught.

Get a list of the skilled trades, forecast what is needed, and let students apply for them. If they don’t like it 1 year in, let them switch to something else (ex. Start as a millwright apprentice and decide it isn’t for you so switch to welding as that seems neat, etc.).

Drastic changes need to be made today as its at least 4 years to train the tradespeople, likely much longer to catch up to where we need to be. The only thing we can do is hurry up to try and lessen the pain.



No idea, I am just going off how my grandparents were trained in the 50s and 60s UK. It worked quite well for them.

Government funding of universities has been on the decline for decades, forcing them to scrape around for cash elsewhere and then dance to the tune of the people they get if from, more or less.

Self-inflicted wounds are the worst...

Canada is falling behind globally on public funding for universities. That’s a problem.​

Vivek Goel: ‘How do we ensure that the financial resources available to Canadian universities are commensurate with the positioning we seek on the global stage?’

Lurching from one plan or idea to another every two to four years serves neither the interests of Canada’s world-class post-secondary sector nor the students who will go on to shape our nation’s future. As other countries make moves to capitalize on their universities’ ability to create knowledge and talent, we cannot afford to wait until another conference, another election, or even another day, to figure this out.

Canada is falling behind globally on public funding for universities. That's a problem.

Vivek Goel: 'How do we ensure that the financial resources available to Canadian universities are commensurate with the positioning we seek on the global stage?'

macleans.ca

 

[Maxman1]

What do you mean??

Basically, the party can't initiate a leadership convention and challenge the current leader, like other parties can. Only through resignation is a convention held.

Theoretically, the party leader could be influenced to resign, but the Liberal Party has nominations approved by the leader, giving them considerable leverage over the caucus.

 

[CBH99]

Basically, the party can't initiate a leadership convention and challenge the current leader, like other parties can. Only through resignation is a convention held.

Theoretically, the party leader could be influenced to resign, but the Liberal Party has nominations approved by the leader, giving them considerable leverage over the caucus.

Interesting. Very interesting...

So if I'm understanding this correctly - the NDP could, for example, come together as a party and say "We want someone other than Singh as our party leader...this other guy might be good" and can initiate a leadership convention to see who gets voted go lead the party...

But the LPC can't do that very same process because of they structured their party differently internally, and the only way to get someone else in their leadership spot is if the current leader resigns.

Do I have that correct for the most part? (I know I'm over simplifying it)



That seems like a selfish, short sighted move on behalf of Paul Martin.

And just when we didn't think we could get any worse off with Trudeau...turns out even his own party can't turf him because of something ONE GUY did 20-ish years ago...

He's like a hemmeroid that just won't go away no matter what angel it gets approached from!

 

[kratz]

Government funding of universities has been on the decline for decades, forcing them to scrape around for cash elsewhere and then dance to the tune of the people they get if from, more or less.

Self-inflicted wounds are the worst...

Canada is falling behind globally on public funding for universities. That’s a problem.​

Vivek Goel: ‘How do we ensure that the financial resources available to Canadian universities are commensurate with the positioning we seek on the global stage?’

In June 1996, I participated in one of the few protest rallies of my life, with CFS (Canadian Frederation of Students) on parliament Hill. We were protesting PM Chretian's sweeping cuts to the federal transfer payments in exchange for one block transfer payment that the provinces were allowed to decide how to spend on the affected programs.

Over the past 27 years, Canadians benefited as our federal debt was reduced and we weathered economic crises like the 2008 crash. Canadians are also bearing the results of the reduced funding devolving to the provinces and where they chose to spend, or save money on programs.

• no new public housing has been constructed,
• hospital upgrades or new hospitals has been deferred,
• cuts to public education--colleges and universities, and
• public infrastructure maintenance has been delayed.

So provinces are now wearing the responsibility for a decades old cut and the difficult choices they were required to make, while still delivering services under existing bilateral agreements with Ottawa.

There's enough blame at all government levels and all political parties to go around. Knowing how taxpayers arrived at this point is useful.

 

[Rifleman62]

POILIEVERE DESTROYS TRUDEAU for 20 MINUTES STRAIGHT in SPEECH​

 

[The Bread Guy]

Government funding of universities has been on the decline for decades, forcing them to scrape around for cash elsewhere and then dance to the tune of the people they get if from, more or less.

Self-inflicted wounds are the worst...

Canada is falling behind globally on public funding for universities. That’s a problem.​

(...)

Canada is falling behind globally on public funding for universities. That's a problem.

Vivek Goel: 'How do we ensure that the financial resources available to Canadian universities are commensurate with the positioning we seek on the global stage?'

macleans.ca

And yet, if Team Red announced a ton of funding for universities, I suspect we would see all sorts of complaints around here about funding woke institutions that support "the agenda"

... There's enough blame at all government levels and all political parties to go around ...

That right there - which also makes it harder to come up with a unified solution all team jerseys could live with.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Every funding gap ought first to be examined on the expense side. I suppose Canadian institutions may not suffer from the same administrative bloat as US institutions, but if some of that has happened, they can fix that problem themselves.

 

[Kirkhill]

Every funding gap ought first to be examined on the expense side. I suppose Canadian institutions may not suffer from the same administrative bloat as US institutions, but if some of that has happened, they can fix that problem themselves.

Training Canadian kids in Canadian schools is a duty to the country and an obligation to the kids.
Pay with taxes.

Training foreigners in Canadian schools is a business.
Pay with revenues.

 

[YZT580]

Training Canadian kids in Canadian schools is a duty to the country and an obligation to the kids.
Pay with taxes.

Training foreigners in Canadian schools is a business.
Pay with revenues.

if they truly limit the numbers coming into the country there may even be placements available for Canadian kids again.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

And yet, if Team Red announced a ton of funding for universities, I suspect we would see all sorts of complaints around here about funding woke institutions that support "the agenda"

That right there - which also makes it harder to come up with a unified solution all team jerseys could live with.

I don't need the 'agenda.' I want to know why I'm funding universities at all. They can live off of tuitions and alumni donations and trusts. Why should I be paying for people to go to university. Or am I missing something? I have no problem with primary and secondary schools. They are mandatory. You choose whether to go to university or not. I couldn't afford to, so why should I pay so someone else can?

 

[kratz]

I don't need the 'agenda.' I want to know why I'm funding universities at all. They can live off of tuitions and alumni donations and trusts. Why should I be paying for people to go to university. Or am I missing something? I have no problem with primary and secondary schools. They are mandatory. You choose whether to go to university or not. I couldn't afford to, so why should I pay so someone else can?

A valid argument can be made for minimal funding of post-secondary education, as this trains our future generations in advanced specialized areas. Additionally, there is a public interest in funding a certain level of research, which would never be approved if higher education was solely the prevue of market forces.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

A valid argument can be made for minimal funding of post-secondary education, as this trains our future generations in advanced specialized areas. Additionally, there is a public interest in funding a certain level of research, which would never be approved if higher education was solely the prevue of market forces.

Thanks for the reply. I still don't agree with it though.

 

[dimsum]

I don't need the 'agenda.' I want to know why I'm funding universities at all. They can live off of tuitions and alumni donations and trusts. Why should I be paying for people to go to university. Or am I missing something? I have no problem with primary and secondary schools. They are mandatory. You choose whether to go to university or not. I couldn't afford to, so why should I pay so someone else can?

ROTP, UTPNCM, and Specialist Officer Training Plans enter the chat

 

[Halifax Tar]

Are the pitchforks and torches gathering in Fortress LPC ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1750186699773112790

 

[Lumber]

ROTP, UTPNCM, and Specialist Officer Training Plans enter the chat

Not to mention every post-grand scholarship in the military, JCSP, executive MBA, senior staff college, etc..

 

[Remius]

Are the pitchforks and torches gathering in Fortress LPC ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1750186699773112790

Ken MacDonald has done this before and he has a lot of freedom of movement because of his influence with NFld voters. Not sure that translates to widespread dissent yet.