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Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

I don't know if I'd go as far as the yellow bit, but based on at least some of the team he has working for him, PP has to "know" at some level, even if it's from his own suspicions/instincts. Still, it's a good talking point for Red & Orange that "he doesn't want to know" (whether it's true or not).

Maybe - and true about all colour jerseys having something to be embarrassed about ....
Likely why he’d rather have the other parties out cleaning their houses and he can keep doing what he’s doing in ignorant bliss. Optics. And if you can’t see something then it doesn’t exist right?
One critic I heard on a podcast somewhere actually said PP may have some worries about getting a "new clearance" and what they'd find, but if he managed to be a cabinet minister in a former life, I'd be HUGELY surprised if he did anything that would keep him from being at least that cleared again since then.
I heard something similar. I’m with you on that, however sometimes it isn’t the person being cleared that has any related issues but close family members and friends that may be compromised in some way. Doesn’t mean he can’t get the clearance but it can get flagged through no fault of his own.
 
Likely why he’d rather have the other parties out cleaning their houses and he can keep doing what he’s doing in ignorant bliss. Optics. And if you can’t see something then it doesn’t exist right?

I heard something similar. I’m with you on that, however sometimes it isn’t the person being cleared that has any related issues but close family members and friends that may be compromised in some way. Doesn’t mean he can’t get the clearance but it can get flagged through no fault of his own.
Funny, the BS arguments you are putting up (and yes team Red and Orange are singing the same tune over and over) is NOT helping the liberals in the polls.
The only thing that was helping them was the idea that Trudeau might step down. And now thats a big not likely.

I have noticed the left leaning media CBC, CTV, Global are barely mentioning or harping on PP wisely refusing to get security clearance required for the NSCIOP report. Why? He has made it clear he will be muzzled. Trudeau has been trying many tricks and slams and they aren't helping him at all. Canadians are at the getting fed up with even seeing him smile in front of a camera level of unpopularity.
 
In that case, that was a F up from several angles. First the government disease experts wanted Trudeau to lock down borders from China but he wouldn't do that because "it was racist"
Trudeau trusted his appointed expert Dr Tam and her organization the World Health organization.

That was a fiasco of health, economic and financial decisions.
So was it wrong he trusted experts or wrong that he didn't? I'm confused.
 
Just release the names so Canadians can see.
Which ones?

The ones where there is solid evidence? Depending on the source, possibly kiss our international intelligence relations good-bye, and probably kiss any chance of a fair prosecution good-bye as well.

The ones who are merely "at high risk"? Get the big government chequebook out for inevitable libel action.

I’m pretty sure there’s enough side channel information flow between CSIS and the Conservative Party that PP already knows as much if not more than the PM.
I would be quite surprised since it is likely a criminal offence on both the sending and receiving end.
 
Which ones?

The ones where there is solid evidence? Depending on the source, possibly kiss our international intelligence relations good-bye, and probably kiss any chance of a fair prosecution good-bye as well.

The ones who are merely "at high risk"? Get the big government chequebook out for inevitable libel action.

From where I sit the integrity of our elected and non elected officials is more important than the risks you mention.

So my answer to your question is all of them.
 
Funny, the BS arguments you are putting up (and yes team Red and Orange are singing the same tune over and over) is NOT helping the liberals in the polls.
I never said it would or was. You are ignoring the politics behind this that most agree is in fact happening.
The only thing that was helping them was the idea that Trudeau might step down. And now thats a big not likely.
You missed my point if you think it was about “helping” anyone.
I have noticed the left leaning media CBC, CTV, Global are barely mentioning or harping on PP wisely refusing to get security clearance required for the NSCIOP report. Why? He has made it clear he will be muzzled. Trudeau has been trying many tricks and slams and they aren't helping him at all. Canadians are at the getting fed up with even seeing him smile in front of a camera level of unpopularity.
Again. It’s naive to think that this isn’t about politics.

No one said that this is helping Trudeau.
 
From where I sit the integrity of our elected and non elected officials is more important than the risks you mention.

So my answer to your question is all of them.
If the act of outing them and letting them walk, and/or having us isolated in the intelligence community, ended up resulting in a measurable improvement to our systems and vulnerability, then perhaps.

Otherwise , I'd prefer a few heads on pikes at the palace gate after due process.
 
Funny, the BS arguments you are putting up (and yes team Red and Orange are singing the same tune over and over) is NOT helping the liberals in the polls.
The only thing that was helping them was the idea that Trudeau might step down ....
Hell, some polling was saying even stepping down wouldn't help keep HMCS Team Red from sinking.
... I have noticed the left leaning media CBC, CTV, Global are barely mentioning or harping on PP wisely refusing to get security clearance required for the NSCIOP report. Why? He has made it clear he will be muzzled ...
Or they could be waiting for it to bite him on the butt while there's lots of other political fish in the sea to harvest at the moment. Like we've said before, pluses & minuses to his approach - so far, the plusses have it, but that can change, too.
 
If the act of outing them and letting them walk, and/or having us isolated in the intelligence community, ended up resulting in a measurable improvement to our systems and vulnerability, then perhaps.

Otherwise , I'd prefer a few heads on pikes at the palace gate after due process.

I think were generally on the same page. I simply think that the people deserve to know.
 
Funny, the BS arguments you are putting up (and yes team Red and Orange are singing the same tune over and over) is NOT helping the liberals in the polls.
The only thing that was helping them was the idea that Trudeau might step down. And now thats a big not likely.

I have noticed the left leaning media CBC, CTV, Global are barely mentioning or harping on PP wisely refusing to get security clearance required for the NSCIOP report. Why? He has made it clear he will be muzzled. Trudeau has been trying many tricks and slams and they aren't helping him at all. Canadians are at the getting fed up with even seeing him smile in front of a camera level of unpopularity.
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So it took Trudeau less than 24 hours to "reflect", well before the 28 Oct renegades' deadline.

Interesting remarks by the commentators.

Justin Trudeau stays the course despite internal dissent: strategists panel – October 24, 2024

 
So it took Trudeau less than 24 hours to "reflect", well before the 28 Oct renegades' deadline.

Interesting remarks by the commentators.

Justin Trudeau stays the course despite internal dissent: strategists panel – October 24, 2024

His mind was already made. His réflexion bit was more a poor attempt to manage expectations or possibly record names for future sanction…
 
It makes sense, they're the ones collecting big fat Cabinet Minister cheques, and making all the key networking connections that will keep them in well paid jobs after they get punted from office.

And suddenly those riding their coat tails have learned they were the witting fools all along.

Well done LPC, well done.
 
It makes sense, they're the ones collecting big fat Cabinet Minister cheques, and making all the key networking connections that will keep them in well paid jobs after they get punted from office.
Question - do Cabinet ministers make more than regular MPs?
 
Shannon Proudfoot, writing in today's Globe and Mail, gets it about right, I think:

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The mincing coup attempt on Justin Trudeau failed, but it wouldn’t have helped much if it had succeeded​

SHANNON PROUDFOOT
OTTAWA
PUBLISHED 1 HOUR AGO

This week in Ottawa, Justin Trudeau faced off against a small herd of rebellious Liberals who, as it turned out, all showed up for the staring contest with a raging case of pink eye.

Basically, two dozen of his MPs whispered, “Please go away,” and the Prime Minister said, “No,” and smiled his Cheshire Cat smile, and then everyone went back to what they were doing before.

The most docile and mincing coup attempt in the history of the world began a couple of weeks ago, with leaks about a letter signed by an unclear number of MPs, asking Mr. Trudeau to resign as Liberal Leader because of how the public had soured on him and on his government. This letter was to be presented at Wednesday’s caucus meeting, along with a broader venting of worries and frustrations.

The best detail by far to emerge from this drama was the fact that at the meeting, British Columbia MP Patrick Weiler read the breakup letter aloud, and the Prime Minister was told that 24 MPs had signed it, but they would not be revealing who they were.

This is objectively hilarious. Try to imagine Mr. Trudeau’s facial expression when confronted by this level of bravado. Even better: Picture the faces of the two dozen anonymous rebels sweating through their shoes in the midst of their caucus colleagues. We can only hope they were wearing Groucho Marx disguises.

Just before the meeting started, Mr. Trudeau had bounded down the stairs from his office and past the herd of reporters to slip into the caucus room. He did not have the stench of death around him; he didn’t even look like he was having an especially bad day at work. Now we know why: He was about to be mauled by a basket of kittens.

Not that the unnamed signatories are alone in their grievances or in noticing some larger impending political carnage. Another B.C. MP, Ken Hardie, reported that some 50 people spoke at the caucus meeting, though it’s unclear how many were critical of the Prime Minister rather than supportive.

It’s not surprising that the calls are starting to come from inside the House – even if some of the voices on the line are whimpering to disguise their identity. The Liberals are now mired behind the Tories by fat polling margins, they have lost two supposedly safe by-elections and every press conference seems to feature at least one question about why people hate them so much.

It’s not a new or transient phenomenon. In the spring of 2023, the Conservatives had pulled ahead by a few points, says Philippe J. Fournier, editor-in-chief of the polling site 338Canada, but given that the Tories had won the popular vote by one point in the last two federal elections, that was status quo.

“It really was June, July and August ‘23 that the wheels fell off,” he says. “Like something that I had never seen before.”

By late summer, the Conservatives had opened up a double-digit lead; by Christmas, it was 15 points; and by the spring of 2024, it had reached the 20-point chasm where it’s been hovering since, Mr. Fournier says.

There’s a page on Canada 338 that shows seat projections based on current polling. Little squares represent every MP in the House of Commons, with bright red denoting current seats the Liberals are expected to retain and black Xs indicating held seats they’re on track to lose.

Every region of the country that has been a Liberal bastion is a forest of angry black Xs. The entire province of B.C. could send a single Liberal back to Ottawa in the next election, according to 338Canada’s projections, and fortress Ontario would be carved down from 77 current Liberal MPs to 15, and another seven seats are toss-ups.

Nearly two-thirds of the 153-member caucus could expect to lose their jobs, based on those seat counts.

“Right now, if I look at the data, the best-case scenario for the Liberals would be an honourable defeat, pretty much like Stephen Harper,” Mr. Fournier says of the 2015 election, when the Conservatives were shaved down to 99 seats and 32 per cent of the popular vote.

There are many other plausible outcomes on the books that would be a whole lot uglier.

But the same dire circumstances that explain why some MPs have started to agitate for big change at the top – even if their courage isn’t rising as fast as their panic – also makes the whole exercise seem a tad pointless.

Surely, if you could ask the Liberal agitators how many polling points they figure it would be worth to have a fresh face leading their bedraggled nine-year-old government, none of them would pin that bounce at 20 percentage points. Maybe they figure it’s worth 10 or 20 seats, even in a country profoundly fatigued with their party, and in the most hopeful compartment of their heart, they may believe one of those seats would be their own.

The Liberals have been living inside a very deep and dark political hole for a long time, and that sucking sound at their feet does not suggest the sun is getting any closer. Having one less guy in the pit with them isn’t going to change that, but it must be hard to stand still and do nothing while you wait for the earth to cave in around your ears.

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Prime Minister Trudeau is hanging on for his own very personal reasons but his party is deeply divided and divided parties do not, cannot win elections. My guess is that he will "lead" his Liberal Party to third, maybe even fourth party status in the House of Commons when we go to the polls next year. Many will applaud his feat.
 
Trudeau isn’t ’hanging on’….he has a rock solid grip on the leadership because he very savvily engineered the re-write of the LPC party constitution to eliminate any ability of the caucus to give (direct) cause for a leadership review or remove the leader.

The following quote from the article makes sense if we tweak it slightly…
Just before the meeting started, Mr. Trudeau had bounded down the stairs from his office and past the herd of reporters to slip into the caucus room. He did not have the stench of death around him; he didn’t even look like he was having an especially bad day at work. Now we know why: He was about to be mauled by a basket of kittens that he had declawed and punched repeatedly through manipulation of the party constitution and continued disregard for any caucus members except his close cabal of trained clapping seals.

As noted before, the only way that the ‘basket of kittens’ can affect the smug arrogance of the Czar of the Liberal Party of Canada is through indirect action: withhold votes or leave the party and become an independent MP.
 
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