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Wayne Long, MP for Saint John, NB is serving. We’ll see who stays and whomTrudeau boots out of caucus, I suppose.
Trudeau Popularity - or not. Nanos research
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Though tough to directly say because his riding is subject to redivision in the next election, polls for any of the component ridings forming part of that area are shaping up to show him looking for a new job after the election anyway. A lot of liberal MPs in what ought to have been safe or at least viably competitive ridings are looking ahead a year and a bit to being voted out. With the cracks in the internal party dam, water’s gonna be flowing in.
If PMJT wants to start kicking these folks out of caucus, well, what does that really cost them at this point anyway?
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he said he didn't order it. This has already been covered earlier. Information from the minister is tantamount to being a very strong suggestion/order. Sajeen is an expert at using half truths to obfuscate issues.
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Demands are being made... let's see how that works out:
Nine Liberal MPs have signed a letter demanding their national caucus chair arrange an immediate, in-person meeting to discuss the party’s devastating byelection loss in a Toronto-area Liberal stronghold, according to Liberal MP George Chahal, one of the signatories.
In an email obtained by The Hill Times that was sent to the 155-member Liberal caucus, Chahal (Calgary Skyview, Alta.) told his colleagues that nine MPs had sent the letter to national caucus chair Brenda Shanahan (Châteauguay–Lacolle, Que.) in a separate email.
“We the undersigned would like to add our voices to those who have called for an immediate, in-person national caucus meeting in Ottawa to discuss the extremely concerning results in the Toronto St. Paul’s byelection,” the MPs wrote in the letter sent Friday evening. “This was a race the Liberal Party of Canada should not have lost. Our government has a strong legacy of achievement since 2015. The Liberal brand and our values resonate with Canadians.”
www.hilltimes.com
Liberal MP Chahal among nine MPs demanding ‘immediate’ caucus meeting to discuss ‘extremely concerning’ byelection loss
The request, which the MPs say is supported by ‘dozens’ in caucus, comes hours after Liberal MP Wayne Long wrote another caucus-wide email saying the Liberals ‘need new leadership and a new direction.’
Nine Liberal MPs have signed a letter demanding their national caucus chair arrange an immediate, in-person meeting to discuss the party’s devastating byelection loss in a Toronto-area Liberal stronghold, according to Liberal MP George Chahal, one of the signatories.
In an email obtained by The Hill Times that was sent to the 155-member Liberal caucus, Chahal (Calgary Skyview, Alta.) told his colleagues that nine MPs had sent the letter to national caucus chair Brenda Shanahan (Châteauguay–Lacolle, Que.) in a separate email.
“We the undersigned would like to add our voices to those who have called for an immediate, in-person national caucus meeting in Ottawa to discuss the extremely concerning results in the Toronto St. Paul’s byelection,” the MPs wrote in the letter sent Friday evening. “This was a race the Liberal Party of Canada should not have lost. Our government has a strong legacy of achievement since 2015. The Liberal brand and our values resonate with Canadians.”
Liberal MP Chahal among nine MPs demanding ‘immediate’ caucus meeting to discuss ‘extremely concerning’ byelection loss
The request, which the MPs say is supported by ‘dozens’ in caucus, comes hours after Liberal MP Wayne Long wrote another caucus-wide email saying the Liberals ‘need new leadership and a new direction.’
www.hilltimes.com
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He had every opportunity to issue a stop drop if he felt that his information was being misconstrued.
He did not.
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Someone I never heard of who decided to leave before this? Pfft!Cracks in the dyke, or spitting into the wind?
By itself, meh. If this leads to others piping up publicly, maaaaaaaaaaybe the snowball can begin?
In email to caucus, Liberal MP says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau should step down
OTTAWA - One Liberal MP who is not seeking re-election has sent an email to fellow caucus members calling for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to step down as party leader.www.thecanadianpressnews.ca
I feel the exact same way you do.
His concern isn't for the well being of Canadians, and almost everybody is finally starting to see it now...
Whether it's quietly destroying entire industries by not granting various permits, introducing layers of censorship legislation, introducing a carbon tax that cripples the economy (and keeps increasing it annually), to his hypocritical approach to inflation which is causing (and will cause into the foreseeable future) many families to have to give up their homes...
The list goes on & on. But he definitely isn't looking out for the best interests of the average Canadian.
"Hail Hydra..."
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This is what our country has become. A nation that is wrapped up in division instead of unity, exclusion, racism - should I go on?
We used to stand for something. Now we are falling, thanks to a preening PM and gang of useful fools. I am sure China and India are seeing a big natural resource target - and it is Canada.
We used to stand for something. Now we are falling, thanks to a preening PM and gang of useful fools. I am sure China and India are seeing a big natural resource target - and it is Canada.
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My X algorithm has exploded with pro JT and LPC information. Which is odd as that's not how I would expect my algorithm to look.
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From a former Team Blue operator, some "rules to remember" for any caucus revolutionaries out there (or anyone wanting to counter a caucus coup) ...
www.readtheline.ca
Archived link also here.
Mitch Heimpel: How to mount (or defeat) a Canadian caucus revolt
Canada has relatively little experience with leader purges. But that seems to be changing.
www.readtheline.ca
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David Parkins, drawing in the Globe and Mail, shows us what I suspect is on the minds of many Liberal nabobs (riding association presidents and so on): you, PMJT, got us into this mess, you can lead us to the logical conclusion. I think most Liberals (big shots, political pros, and just committed LPC voters) know they are in for a shellacking and they are ready to take their lumps but they want Justin Trudeau to wear the blame for what is about to happen - then he can resign and join several corporate boards and fly around the world on private jets for speaking engagements while his successors (Liberal tradition says the next leader must be an Anglo) rebrand and rebuild the party.
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Some thoughts on the Liberal leadership dilemma from the Canadian Press' Laura Osman, reproduced in the Globe and Mail:
"Calls have intensified for Justin Trudeau to resign as head of the party he almost single-handedly pulled back from the brink after a decimating electoral defeat in 2011.
Still Trudeau has been steadfast in his intention to lead the party into the next election.
But even as several former elected Liberals, party faithful and strategists declare it’s time for the prime minister to step aside for fear of dragging the party down along with his personal polling numbers, many also admit a Liberal leadership race would be a risky and messy affair.
The party hasn’t selected a new leader since 2013, when the Liberals changed the rules to give ordinary citizens a bigger say in who would take the reins of the party.
It was part of the board’s “road map to renewal” plan to rebuild the party.
The changes allowed a political movement to form behind Trudeau, who won the race easily and reinvigorated the party after a time of crisis.
“It doesn’t matter to me if you were a Chrétien Liberal, or a Turner Liberal, or a Martin Liberal or any other kind of Liberal,” Trudeau told the cheering crowd after being voted in.
“The era of hyphenated Liberals ends right here, right now, tonight.”
His leadership did usher in a new era of Liberal unity, but Conservative strategist Ginny Roth said the party was also remade in his image.
“The Liberal party was kind of rebuilt around Trudeau as a bit of a cult of personality, and that worked when he was popular,” said Roth, who served as Pierre Poilievre’s director of communications during his leadership race.
Now that it’s no longer true, the very identity of the party is at stake.
“I think a lot of Liberals are concerned about what a leadership race could mean, because there’s no real establishment.”
If Trudeau were to step aside before the next election, the party would not only need to find a new leader before the next election but also redefine what it means to be a Liberal.
“The Liberal party brand today has become synonymous with Justin Trudeau,” said Andrew Perez, a longtime Liberal and strategist with Perez Strategies.
He recently called for Trudeau to resign, but admits it’s a tall order when the next election is scheduled for less than a year and a half from now. It’s a risk, he said, especially under the rules that brought Trudeau to the head of the party.
The goal was to make it easier for people to vote in the Liberal leader by allowing them to join the party as a “supporter,” so they could vote without having to pay for a membership.
In 2016, they went even further, eliminating party membership fees altogether.
At the time the party said it was to make the Liberals more “open and accessible.”
But some strategists say it also makes the next leadership race susceptible to inference by special interest groups.
“It’s obvious how the system could be taken advantage of in a leadership race,” Perez said. He’s particularly concerned about the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip, and the divisive effect it has had on Canadian politics.
“I do worry about the role of special interests, who can mobilize around one issue and decide on the basis of one issue, who will lead the party.” [My emphasis added.]
While some decisions about a leadership race could be made by the party’s board, bigger changes about the membership would require an amendment to the party constitution. That would have to go through a membership vote.
There are discussions underway to hold a party convention next spring — too late to change the rules if there is a snap leadership race.
The timeline would be tough enough just to get a new leader in place before Canadians go to the polls, though several Liberals — including Perez — say the crunch isn’t insurmountable.
Leadership races usually last months, at least. Officially the leadership race when Trudeau won lasted just five months, but candidates had been gearing up for it for nearly two years.
It also took two years for the Conservatives to vote in a new leader after Stephen Harper’s resignation after the 2015 election. The race that brought Pierre Poilievre to the head of the Conservatives lasted eight months.
All of those people had the luxury of time, something on short supply currently. The next election is at most 15 months away. Anyone elected leader would be thrust into a near immediate election."
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There's more but you get the idea - replacing Trudeau is not as simple as it might appear.
"Calls have intensified for Justin Trudeau to resign as head of the party he almost single-handedly pulled back from the brink after a decimating electoral defeat in 2011.
Still Trudeau has been steadfast in his intention to lead the party into the next election.
But even as several former elected Liberals, party faithful and strategists declare it’s time for the prime minister to step aside for fear of dragging the party down along with his personal polling numbers, many also admit a Liberal leadership race would be a risky and messy affair.
The party hasn’t selected a new leader since 2013, when the Liberals changed the rules to give ordinary citizens a bigger say in who would take the reins of the party.
It was part of the board’s “road map to renewal” plan to rebuild the party.
The changes allowed a political movement to form behind Trudeau, who won the race easily and reinvigorated the party after a time of crisis.
“It doesn’t matter to me if you were a Chrétien Liberal, or a Turner Liberal, or a Martin Liberal or any other kind of Liberal,” Trudeau told the cheering crowd after being voted in.
“The era of hyphenated Liberals ends right here, right now, tonight.”
His leadership did usher in a new era of Liberal unity, but Conservative strategist Ginny Roth said the party was also remade in his image.
“The Liberal party was kind of rebuilt around Trudeau as a bit of a cult of personality, and that worked when he was popular,” said Roth, who served as Pierre Poilievre’s director of communications during his leadership race.
Now that it’s no longer true, the very identity of the party is at stake.
“I think a lot of Liberals are concerned about what a leadership race could mean, because there’s no real establishment.”
If Trudeau were to step aside before the next election, the party would not only need to find a new leader before the next election but also redefine what it means to be a Liberal.
“The Liberal party brand today has become synonymous with Justin Trudeau,” said Andrew Perez, a longtime Liberal and strategist with Perez Strategies.
He recently called for Trudeau to resign, but admits it’s a tall order when the next election is scheduled for less than a year and a half from now. It’s a risk, he said, especially under the rules that brought Trudeau to the head of the party.
The goal was to make it easier for people to vote in the Liberal leader by allowing them to join the party as a “supporter,” so they could vote without having to pay for a membership.
In 2016, they went even further, eliminating party membership fees altogether.
At the time the party said it was to make the Liberals more “open and accessible.”
But some strategists say it also makes the next leadership race susceptible to inference by special interest groups.
“It’s obvious how the system could be taken advantage of in a leadership race,” Perez said. He’s particularly concerned about the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip, and the divisive effect it has had on Canadian politics.
“I do worry about the role of special interests, who can mobilize around one issue and decide on the basis of one issue, who will lead the party.” [My emphasis added.]
While some decisions about a leadership race could be made by the party’s board, bigger changes about the membership would require an amendment to the party constitution. That would have to go through a membership vote.
There are discussions underway to hold a party convention next spring — too late to change the rules if there is a snap leadership race.
The timeline would be tough enough just to get a new leader in place before Canadians go to the polls, though several Liberals — including Perez — say the crunch isn’t insurmountable.
Leadership races usually last months, at least. Officially the leadership race when Trudeau won lasted just five months, but candidates had been gearing up for it for nearly two years.
It also took two years for the Conservatives to vote in a new leader after Stephen Harper’s resignation after the 2015 election. The race that brought Pierre Poilievre to the head of the Conservatives lasted eight months.
All of those people had the luxury of time, something on short supply currently. The next election is at most 15 months away. Anyone elected leader would be thrust into a near immediate election."
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There's more but you get the idea - replacing Trudeau is not as simple as it might appear.
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Ooopsie - more on that ....Looks like the Guilbeault got recorded during a phone conversation on a VIA train, and someone has the transcript of at least his side of the conversation….
Justin Ling: I know the inside story of the Liberal revolt against Justin Trudeau. How? I overheard it in a train station
One of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s cabinet ministers travelled to Toronto to test the waters after a shock Liberal defeat. What he found may surprise even the most pessimistic of Liberal fans.
www.thestar.com
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Trudeau has lots of time. Constitutionally, there is a five-year limit. Thus, the next election must be before 20 Sep 2026.
Singh who is so full of himself, would love that so he can strut around saving Cdns from the evil CEO's, CPC etc. The Power is in my hands is his theme.
Trudeau doesn't work much. He just flies around constantly feeling like entitled royalty, leaving the unelected PMO to run the country into the ground.
Constantly hearing Trudeau and the Liberals saying, "We have to work harder". For God's sake, quite working. Canada is fucked up enough already.
Singh who is so full of himself, would love that so he can strut around saving Cdns from the evil CEO's, CPC etc. The Power is in my hands is his theme.
Trudeau doesn't work much. He just flies around constantly feeling like entitled royalty, leaving the unelected PMO to run the country into the ground.
Constantly hearing Trudeau and the Liberals saying, "We have to work harder". For God's sake, quite working. Canada is fucked up enough already.
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From the article: "One influential Montreal Liberal told me the party is almost certain to lose the seat to Craig Sauvé, a popular city councilor running for the NDP."Ooopsie - more on that ....
Also archived here.Justin Ling: I know the inside story of the Liberal revolt against Justin Trudeau. How? I overheard it in a train station
One of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s cabinet ministers travelled to Toronto to test the waters after a shock Liberal defeat. What he found may surprise even the most pessimistic of Liberal fans.
Still a win for JT as long as the Supply and Confidence Agreement is in place.
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The more they work, the worse everything gets. We need less government not more.
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Yes, but actually no.
Elections are a fixed date, every four years on the third Monday of October. Snap elections are still allowed, and a motion of non-confidence will still lead to an election.
So the next election is 20 October, 2025, barring a loss of confidence.
Fixed election dates in Canada - Wikipedia
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No, but actually yes.
Fixed date can be amended (pending now), but constitutionally election can go to 5 years.
Would not like to see the Liberals/NDP try that.
Fixed date can be amended (pending now), but constitutionally election can go to 5 years.
Would not like to see the Liberals/NDP try that.
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