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Similar to Stockholm syndrome I suspect.
"Toronto 18" terrorists: Arrest/court/aftermath
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As much as this is a big "score one for the good guys" do not underestimate the judicial systems ability to cock this thing up. You can bet that the youths will not be kept in custody, and will cry undue influence and probably get punted. It will be interesting to see if our socialist judges can get over themselves long enough to realize the harm that is going to ensue if we don't drop the hammer on these arseholes.
This is my favorite quote from the various articles:
Alvin Chand, brother of Toronto suspect Steven Vikash Chand, scoffed at the charges outside the courthouse as several officers took up surveillance positions on surrounding rooftops and a helicopter circled.
"He's not a terrorist, come on, he's a Canadian citizen," Chand said of his brother. "The people that were arrested are good people. They go to the mosque. They go to school, go to college."
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/03062006/2/national-terrorism-threat-becomes-reality-canadians-cops-allege-homegrown-plot.html
Yes, certainly no violence around the world has been promoted by Islamic college students. :
No doubt this will all prove to be a Zionist plot against innocent Islamic gardeners everywhere.
This is my favorite quote from the various articles:
Alvin Chand, brother of Toronto suspect Steven Vikash Chand, scoffed at the charges outside the courthouse as several officers took up surveillance positions on surrounding rooftops and a helicopter circled.
"He's not a terrorist, come on, he's a Canadian citizen," Chand said of his brother. "The people that were arrested are good people. They go to the mosque. They go to school, go to college."
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/03062006/2/national-terrorism-threat-becomes-reality-canadians-cops-allege-homegrown-plot.html
Yes, certainly no violence around the world has been promoted by Islamic college students. :
No doubt this will all prove to be a Zionist plot against innocent Islamic gardeners everywhere.
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If you want to see how delusional some people are just click on this link.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/yourspace/CSIS_terrorists.html
You can read letters people sent to the CBC about the comments Jack Hooper made before the Senate defence committee. You can read such gems as:
and:
Got enough proof now? :
http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/yourspace/CSIS_terrorists.html
You can read letters people sent to the CBC about the comments Jack Hooper made before the Senate defence committee. You can read such gems as:
and:
Got enough proof now? :
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You can't cure a rabid dog can ya's. These 17 pieces of garbage need to be exercised for info, then dissapear forever without a trace. What can you do with maggots like these, let them out on bail? Just wait for the limp dicked Canadian legal system to spit them out under their own recognicence, claiming they are from broken homes, bla bla bla. We have all heard it before.
Wait for it.
I won't be suprised.
On a darker side, your government got lucky this time. Next time maybe not.
This latest Cdn incident is not about the CF in Afghanistan, its about the weakest link in a western country. Honestly, I think Canada is piss weak with its migration laws and leaky borders etc. Hey I've got the right to say it, I was born in Saskatoon, spending the fist 35yrs of my life in western Canada.
This is not even a near miss, but what is it going to take for some decent co-operation bi-partisan hand-holding in Ottawa to get hard on anti-terr laws. There is still too many limp wristed lefties out ther to block common sense right wing reality bills and laws. The 'oh we do not wish to offend' police will be out in full drag swishing their arses down the halls of parliament parading in full!
Again, wait for it.
Your opposition and other 'hangers on' are your own country's worst enemies. Remember that the next time these grubs get lucky (and they will).
Sad but true.
Cold beers,
Wes
Wait for it.
I won't be suprised.
On a darker side, your government got lucky this time. Next time maybe not.
This latest Cdn incident is not about the CF in Afghanistan, its about the weakest link in a western country. Honestly, I think Canada is piss weak with its migration laws and leaky borders etc. Hey I've got the right to say it, I was born in Saskatoon, spending the fist 35yrs of my life in western Canada.
This is not even a near miss, but what is it going to take for some decent co-operation bi-partisan hand-holding in Ottawa to get hard on anti-terr laws. There is still too many limp wristed lefties out ther to block common sense right wing reality bills and laws. The 'oh we do not wish to offend' police will be out in full drag swishing their arses down the halls of parliament parading in full!
Again, wait for it.
Your opposition and other 'hangers on' are your own country's worst enemies. Remember that the next time these grubs get lucky (and they will).
Sad but true.
Cold beers,
Wes
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How, pray tell, should someone act if they are planning on blowing up CSIS HQ in Toronto (or whatever)? Should they run around with bomb drawings under their arms, ranting on about how tough it is being Moslem, how everyone thinks you've got a bomb making kit in your bathroom, and then complain when the authorities break your bomb making kit in your bathroom? Do they run around yelling "ALLAH AKHBAR" everytime a Canadian Soldier is killed in Afghanistan?bilton090 said:
NO
THey will go to school. They will go to a mosque/temple/church (as applicable). Don't people get it? I mean, check out TV next time they catch some freaky murderer. What will people say? "He seemed like such a nice neighbour!" Hey, if it were easy to pick out the next OBL or mass murderer, then alot of crimes just wouldn't happen!
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What are they smoking? About 3 Tonnes of Ammonium Nitrate... >
What's the answer to THAT Mr. Hindy? O I know - it is good explosive 'cause it was collected by these "good, mosque-going, college-attending dudes"
...Still waiting for the Lawyer to address the need for that much fertilizer...
What's the answer to THAT Mr. Hindy? O I know - it is good explosive 'cause it was collected by these "good, mosque-going, college-attending dudes"
...Still waiting for the Lawyer to address the need for that much fertilizer...
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"In court, Mr. Galati was accompanied by Aly Hindy, a Toronto imam and friend of the highly-controversial Khadr family, who have well-established connections to al-Qaeda.
Mr. Hindy, a controverisial Iman, leads an Islamic centre in Scarborough, said he knew several of the accused because they prayed at his mosque but said they were not terrorists.
So, Mr Hindy, friend of the Khadr's, is vouching for these guys? Isn't that like Martin Bormann vouching for a person accused of being a nazi?
Mr. Hindy, a controverisial Iman, leads an Islamic centre in Scarborough, said he knew several of the accused because they prayed at his mosque but said they were not terrorists.
So, Mr Hindy, friend of the Khadr's, is vouching for these guys? Isn't that like Martin Bormann vouching for a person accused of being a nazi?
Aside from the conspiracy, what bothers me the most about this whole issue is the nay-saying and excuse mongering by the muslim community and most left wingers. Denying you have a problem, does not solve it.
We are in for interesting times, as I predict there will more rhetoric and action on the part of muslims. We have the laws, but not the gonads to enforce them, to have people with these views removed. They have voided their right to live in Canada.
We are in for interesting times, as I predict there will more rhetoric and action on the part of muslims. We have the laws, but not the gonads to enforce them, to have people with these views removed. They have voided their right to live in Canada.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060605.terror-court05/BNStory/Front
Well, well, look who's back in the limelight....
A gathering of familiar faces at Brampton courthouse
COLIN FREEZE
From Monday's Globe and Mail
BRAMPTON — Canada's hard-line Muslims can seem a pretty tight-knit group at times. As a long line of completely new terrorism suspects were being shuffled in and out of the prisoner's box, there were many familiar faces looking on in the courtroom.
In the visitors' gallery Saturday morning sat Zaynab Khadr, the sister of Abdullah Khadr, who is fighting extradition to the United States. He is accused of supplying weapons to al-Qaeda.
Ms. Khadr, who once expressed an admiration for suicide bombers on national TV, sat looking at the prisoner's box, speaking Arabic with Aly Hindy, a controversial fundamentalist preacher.
Having had many of their own run-ins with the RCMP and CSIS, Ms. Khadr and Mr. Hindy were intent on doing what they could for the families of the newly accused.
One such man was Tariq Abdelhaleem.
"Hello," he said, looking shattered beyond words, as a reporter approached. "It's my son."
This was stunning. I had gotten to know Mr. Abdelhaleem last year, after he issued a controversial fatwa against too much innovation in Islam.
The imam was worried that Toronto's Muslims were not sticking to scripture and were also becoming unmindful of the real problems in the world.
"Our Muslim brothers and sisters are dying in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Chechnya and other parts of the world," he had written at the time on his website.
"The puppet systems that are in power in the Islamic world are collaborating with the Crusaders and Zionists to keep the ummah [Muslim community] under oppression."
I wrote an article on the fatwa and quoted a more moderate Muslim leader as saying that the decree was "stupid." Mr. Abdelhaleem was stung by this. A few months later, he invited me over for tea and cookies, and we had a pleasant chat about religion in his Mississauga home.
It was in the basement that I met his son Shareef, and several of his friends, all young professionals eager to express their own views to a non-Muslim writer. They, too, were outraged by the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. And they wanted to discuss racial profiling.
They were all upset, but they never appeared extremist. Now, one year later, 30-year-old Shareef Abdelhaleem was chained to other suspects, his anxious eyes meeting his father's wounded gaze in court.
The RCMP officials had just announced they had seized three tonnes of ammonium nitrate fertilizer; they said that "homegrown" Canadian Muslims wanted to turn the material into a bomb and attack targets in Canada.
The RCMP and CSIS have never put together an al-Qaeda-like case of this magnitude before. In the courtroom, veteran federal prosecutor Jim Leising seemed eager to proceed, if somewhat reserved.
Defence lawyer Rocco Galati, who has worked on a number of terrorism cases, said he is unimpressed by this one. "Big whoop-de-do," said Mr. Galati outside court, referring to the government evidence.
"I've seen a lot of fertilizer over the last eight years," he joked.
There is a contingent of people who will always believe Muslims are more often victims of conspiracies than perpetrators. Mr. Galati is in this camp. And certainly Mr. Hindy, the controversial leader of the Salaheddin Islamic Centre, feels that way too.
"Are we now the enemy within? We completely reject that," Mr. Hindy said, outside court. The imam said that because "Afghanistan is closed now," CSIS and the RCMP are targeting young Canadian Muslims, just so that departments can justify their budgets.
"This is to keep George W. Bush happy, that's all," he scoffed.
Mr. Hindy said he knew about half of the defendants, mostly from the times when they used to pray at his mosque. He conceded there might be one or two troublemakers in the group, but predicted most of the accused would be acquitted.
More worrisome, the imam said, was the direction Canada is headed. Devout Muslims, he said, are at the moment more free to practise religion in Canada than in states like Egypt that crack down on fundamentalists. Mr. Hindy is afraid authorities here will round up people indiscriminately.
As for Zaynab Khadr, she wasn't saying much. The family's exploits in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Canada are by now legendary. Her father, a friend of Osama bin Laden, was killed by the Pakistani government. Her eldest brother was arrested last year by the RCMP as the United States seeks his extradition on terrorism charges. Her second-youngest brother is awaiting murder charges in the legal limbo that is Guantanamo Bay.
In court, Ms. Khadr seemed content to look after two other young women also wearing full, black head-to-toe Islamic dress. One of them yelped as a teenager appeared in the prisoner's box, pointing out he was without his prescription eyewear. The judge said he'd try to make sure the suspect would get his glasses. And then he vowed that every suspect would get a Koran, as consistent with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Like everyone else who entered the courtroom, Ms. Khadr and her friends left under the gaze of a gauntlet of assault-rifle-toting police officers, and were swarmed by reporters who asked them questions.
"Don't talk," Ms. Khadr yelled to one suspect's brother as she and her friend made their way to her Green 1997 Pontiac minivan.
And with that, they drove away.
Well, well, look who's back in the limelight....
A gathering of familiar faces at Brampton courthouse
COLIN FREEZE
From Monday's Globe and Mail
BRAMPTON — Canada's hard-line Muslims can seem a pretty tight-knit group at times. As a long line of completely new terrorism suspects were being shuffled in and out of the prisoner's box, there were many familiar faces looking on in the courtroom.
In the visitors' gallery Saturday morning sat Zaynab Khadr, the sister of Abdullah Khadr, who is fighting extradition to the United States. He is accused of supplying weapons to al-Qaeda.
Ms. Khadr, who once expressed an admiration for suicide bombers on national TV, sat looking at the prisoner's box, speaking Arabic with Aly Hindy, a controversial fundamentalist preacher.
Having had many of their own run-ins with the RCMP and CSIS, Ms. Khadr and Mr. Hindy were intent on doing what they could for the families of the newly accused.
One such man was Tariq Abdelhaleem.
"Hello," he said, looking shattered beyond words, as a reporter approached. "It's my son."
This was stunning. I had gotten to know Mr. Abdelhaleem last year, after he issued a controversial fatwa against too much innovation in Islam.
The imam was worried that Toronto's Muslims were not sticking to scripture and were also becoming unmindful of the real problems in the world.
"Our Muslim brothers and sisters are dying in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Chechnya and other parts of the world," he had written at the time on his website.
"The puppet systems that are in power in the Islamic world are collaborating with the Crusaders and Zionists to keep the ummah [Muslim community] under oppression."
I wrote an article on the fatwa and quoted a more moderate Muslim leader as saying that the decree was "stupid." Mr. Abdelhaleem was stung by this. A few months later, he invited me over for tea and cookies, and we had a pleasant chat about religion in his Mississauga home.
It was in the basement that I met his son Shareef, and several of his friends, all young professionals eager to express their own views to a non-Muslim writer. They, too, were outraged by the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. And they wanted to discuss racial profiling.
They were all upset, but they never appeared extremist. Now, one year later, 30-year-old Shareef Abdelhaleem was chained to other suspects, his anxious eyes meeting his father's wounded gaze in court.
The RCMP officials had just announced they had seized three tonnes of ammonium nitrate fertilizer; they said that "homegrown" Canadian Muslims wanted to turn the material into a bomb and attack targets in Canada.
The RCMP and CSIS have never put together an al-Qaeda-like case of this magnitude before. In the courtroom, veteran federal prosecutor Jim Leising seemed eager to proceed, if somewhat reserved.
Defence lawyer Rocco Galati, who has worked on a number of terrorism cases, said he is unimpressed by this one. "Big whoop-de-do," said Mr. Galati outside court, referring to the government evidence.
"I've seen a lot of fertilizer over the last eight years," he joked.
There is a contingent of people who will always believe Muslims are more often victims of conspiracies than perpetrators. Mr. Galati is in this camp. And certainly Mr. Hindy, the controversial leader of the Salaheddin Islamic Centre, feels that way too.
"Are we now the enemy within? We completely reject that," Mr. Hindy said, outside court. The imam said that because "Afghanistan is closed now," CSIS and the RCMP are targeting young Canadian Muslims, just so that departments can justify their budgets.
"This is to keep George W. Bush happy, that's all," he scoffed.
Mr. Hindy said he knew about half of the defendants, mostly from the times when they used to pray at his mosque. He conceded there might be one or two troublemakers in the group, but predicted most of the accused would be acquitted.
More worrisome, the imam said, was the direction Canada is headed. Devout Muslims, he said, are at the moment more free to practise religion in Canada than in states like Egypt that crack down on fundamentalists. Mr. Hindy is afraid authorities here will round up people indiscriminately.
As for Zaynab Khadr, she wasn't saying much. The family's exploits in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Canada are by now legendary. Her father, a friend of Osama bin Laden, was killed by the Pakistani government. Her eldest brother was arrested last year by the RCMP as the United States seeks his extradition on terrorism charges. Her second-youngest brother is awaiting murder charges in the legal limbo that is Guantanamo Bay.
In court, Ms. Khadr seemed content to look after two other young women also wearing full, black head-to-toe Islamic dress. One of them yelped as a teenager appeared in the prisoner's box, pointing out he was without his prescription eyewear. The judge said he'd try to make sure the suspect would get his glasses. And then he vowed that every suspect would get a Koran, as consistent with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Like everyone else who entered the courtroom, Ms. Khadr and her friends left under the gaze of a gauntlet of assault-rifle-toting police officers, and were swarmed by reporters who asked them questions.
"Don't talk," Ms. Khadr yelled to one suspect's brother as she and her friend made their way to her Green 1997 Pontiac minivan.
And with that, they drove away.
George Wallace
Army.ca Dinosaur
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Octavianus said:
No one seems to find this a little unsettling? If Moderate Islamic states have leaders who these Fundamentalists don't like, then they are considered "Puppets of the Americans" and deserve to be attacked or removed violently. No one can read this in between the lines of these statements? Not only are the Western ideals a threat to them, but so are any that don't follow their strict Radical beliefs.
And Colin Freeze can't see this? Amazing!
Octavianus said:
Colin Freeze really doesn't appear to be very astute, does he?
Octavianus said:
I don't know if he were referring to his profession or just didn't realize the Timothy McVeigh used only a third of that amount in his bomb.
Play the old "We are victims" card.Octavianus said:
Play the "anti-American" card.Octavianus said:
Seems we have links to Hindy and Khadr starting to become public.Octavianus said:
Isn't Canada a great country to allow you these freedoms, and how do you repay us? Perhaps you would like to return to a "Puppet of the Americans" style State and face their Civil Liberties and Legal Systems? Time for us to seriously look at our Legal System's corruption of the Law and strictly begin a campaign to Deport these types of 'criminals'.Octavianus said:
Octavianus said:
Further evidence that we are "too soft on these types of criminal"; too soft on serious criminals of all kinds. Yet, we will come down heavily on the minor infractions, and inhumanly Deport productive contributors to Canada's society on lesser Immigration technicalities.
Gunnar
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Life, liberty and security of person...oh yes, and free Korans, provided by the state.
How is the freedom to practice your religion the same as getting a Koran in prison? Bring your own damn books, or ask your family to provide them. Why are we giving you books?
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Outstanding article in the Toronto Star, of all places:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1149371435807
follow the link to read the entire article.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1149371435807
follow the link to read the entire article.
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Was just on the NEWS here, the three tons of fertilizer that the "terrorist" bought, was bought from an undercover RCMP officer. Hmm hand in cookie jar holding cookie.
I just finished reading all the post in the thread and agree with almost all of them in the fact that
1) All of them should be deported, jailed or removed after conviction.
2) I have no doubt that some lawyers and judges will get all tree huggy peace love and joy for everyone on this issue and say that they were treated harshly and that because they missed some after school special on how to share they should be set free. As this could not possible be their fault, so it must be the rest of Canadas
3) This has little or nothing to do with the CF being in Afghanistan, if it did it would have come sooner, and they would have used it as an excuse.
4) This incident does not mean all Arabs/Muslims are bad. And shame on anyone who uses this to attack them as a whole. Or their religion.
5) You can brainwash someone so far, but if they continue to carry out what they know to be wrong then they are just as guilty. We have seen this before. History does repeat itself.
I just hope that the Canadian public does wake up and smell the coffee, Terrorist are alive and well in Canada and they don't care who they kill Innocent or infidel.
I just finished reading all the post in the thread and agree with almost all of them in the fact that
1) All of them should be deported, jailed or removed after conviction.
2) I have no doubt that some lawyers and judges will get all tree huggy peace love and joy for everyone on this issue and say that they were treated harshly and that because they missed some after school special on how to share they should be set free. As this could not possible be their fault, so it must be the rest of Canadas
3) This has little or nothing to do with the CF being in Afghanistan, if it did it would have come sooner, and they would have used it as an excuse.
4) This incident does not mean all Arabs/Muslims are bad. And shame on anyone who uses this to attack them as a whole. Or their religion.
5) You can brainwash someone so far, but if they continue to carry out what they know to be wrong then they are just as guilty. We have seen this before. History does repeat itself.
I just hope that the Canadian public does wake up and smell the coffee, Terrorist are alive and well in Canada and they don't care who they kill Innocent or infidel.
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Michael Dorosh said:
I hear Afghanistan has some really nice cells and I am sure they would be able to find a copy of the Koran there.
Just cause we deport them does not mean that they have to be freed.
I have a hard time believing that if a Biker was placed in a jail cell and wanted a copy of the bible he would get one.
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Was it a sting?
Were the alleged terrorists captured in the country's biggest ever terrorist bust infiltrated by agents and later entrapped? Does it matter?
"Constitutionally it sure does," said terrorism expert Dave Harris last night.
He understands the emotion of a public -- who can't fathom fellow Canucks using three tonnes of explosives against them. "From a human point (it doesn't matter)," said Harris, of Insignis Strategic Research in Ottawa.
People are fed up, shocked that Canadians could ever plan something so heinous against its own state. And they want tough justice.
It's not that simple in our country. This will be sorted out legally and with a microscope of the Charter of Freedoms-wise lawyers who will scan through every paragraph of every document after receiving them through disclosure.
"Defence lawyers are entitled to the entrapment defence under Section 8 of the Criminal Code," Harris said.
And they will use it. It's their best defence. It has worked before. There will be plenty of debate of the interpretation of that act in the years to come.
This was not talked about when 10 of the country's highest ranking police authorities stood before an equally large media throng -- highlighting the successful break up of an alleged gang of Muslim-Canadian youth alleged to be organizing an "al-Qaida inspired" monster plot to wreak havoc.
One of the lawyers called it a "show." Harris disagrees, saying the operation was the most important action these cops could have ever taken. He hopes there are more to come.
"We need to ram the message home that Canada is intimately involved and engaged in international terrorism and we better start taking action if we want to avoid chaos."
But Ottawa lawyer Michael Edelson tells Sun Media any suspects who walk free because of improper tactics will cause a loss of confidence in the spy system. Harris, a former CSIS employee, has more faith in Canadian intelligence.
"It looks like a competent, well managed effort," he said, adding it will take a lot more than a bunch of people crying foul about methods to get out of these serious charges.
As long as law enforcement "has reasonable suspicions" and acts in "good faith," they can employ approaches that can have suspects charged criminally.
But Edelson argues there have been cases where all the suspects have ended up being cleared.
It makes one wonder are convictions or acquittals on terrorism charges two years from now in a court of law as important as stopping a murderous terrorist plot now?
Wonder how the 9/11 families would answer that?
It's in the legal arena now. This is the reality of a politically correct, socially conscious, fair, just and democratic society.
While law enforcement was celebrating thwarting a massive, systematic attack on several southern Ontario targets, these kinds of questions, if not allegations, were being thrown around by lawyers all weekend -- many of whom were complaining about an overzealous Canadian intelligence world.
It just goes to show catching bad guys is never easy. Convicting the smart and organized among them is often 10 times harder.
The public may never know what kind of crushing horror we missed out on thanks to the joint policing effort. Perhaps --when it comes to thinking about the potential carnage, and just how the authorities were able to prevent it -- some things are better left unknown.
By JOE WARMINGTON
Were the alleged terrorists captured in the country's biggest ever terrorist bust infiltrated by agents and later entrapped? Does it matter?
"Constitutionally it sure does," said terrorism expert Dave Harris last night.
He understands the emotion of a public -- who can't fathom fellow Canucks using three tonnes of explosives against them. "From a human point (it doesn't matter)," said Harris, of Insignis Strategic Research in Ottawa.
People are fed up, shocked that Canadians could ever plan something so heinous against its own state. And they want tough justice.
It's not that simple in our country. This will be sorted out legally and with a microscope of the Charter of Freedoms-wise lawyers who will scan through every paragraph of every document after receiving them through disclosure.
"Defence lawyers are entitled to the entrapment defence under Section 8 of the Criminal Code," Harris said.
And they will use it. It's their best defence. It has worked before. There will be plenty of debate of the interpretation of that act in the years to come.
This was not talked about when 10 of the country's highest ranking police authorities stood before an equally large media throng -- highlighting the successful break up of an alleged gang of Muslim-Canadian youth alleged to be organizing an "al-Qaida inspired" monster plot to wreak havoc.
One of the lawyers called it a "show." Harris disagrees, saying the operation was the most important action these cops could have ever taken. He hopes there are more to come.
"We need to ram the message home that Canada is intimately involved and engaged in international terrorism and we better start taking action if we want to avoid chaos."
But Ottawa lawyer Michael Edelson tells Sun Media any suspects who walk free because of improper tactics will cause a loss of confidence in the spy system. Harris, a former CSIS employee, has more faith in Canadian intelligence.
"It looks like a competent, well managed effort," he said, adding it will take a lot more than a bunch of people crying foul about methods to get out of these serious charges.
As long as law enforcement "has reasonable suspicions" and acts in "good faith," they can employ approaches that can have suspects charged criminally.
But Edelson argues there have been cases where all the suspects have ended up being cleared.
It makes one wonder are convictions or acquittals on terrorism charges two years from now in a court of law as important as stopping a murderous terrorist plot now?
Wonder how the 9/11 families would answer that?
It's in the legal arena now. This is the reality of a politically correct, socially conscious, fair, just and democratic society.
While law enforcement was celebrating thwarting a massive, systematic attack on several southern Ontario targets, these kinds of questions, if not allegations, were being thrown around by lawyers all weekend -- many of whom were complaining about an overzealous Canadian intelligence world.
It just goes to show catching bad guys is never easy. Convicting the smart and organized among them is often 10 times harder.
The public may never know what kind of crushing horror we missed out on thanks to the joint policing effort. Perhaps --when it comes to thinking about the potential carnage, and just how the authorities were able to prevent it -- some things are better left unknown.
By JOE WARMINGTON
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