- Reaction score
- 3,106
- Points
- 1,160
Do we really want to swap shelter and comfort stories in here? 9-11, anyone? It's about hockey, it happened, it was crappy, we get it. Let's move on.
Armymedic said:This team was touted as the tournament favorite. They have all sorts of NHL draft picks (current and future) on their team. They turned out to be arrogant individuals who can't or don't play as a team and finds no fault in taking obvious cheap shots at their opponents. (As seen in the games against Canada, Finland and Russia)
These are not boys, there are young men...18 and 19 yr olds. They have friends and peers old enough to die for their country...those hockey players can be booed.
MCG said:Because the guy who was there has told us it was mostly at the team & not the individual responsible.
S_Baker said:I initially made the post only because of the chant, "US -SUCKS" I guess you can take it many ways.
I took it as an anti-US easy to do thing. As far as cheap shots in games and etc, I haven't watched much hockey so I can't comment on that. However, Canada is not the place I grew up in, I always thought of Americans as our friends (I guess it helps to have US parents/Grandparents....etc)
S_Baker said:last post on this topic,
I see your point, but unfortunately as things like this become more common place it only makes the divide that much more deeper. I have yet to see a US politician stomp on a CDN Paul Martin Doll, use nasty words to describe CDN politicians, etc...the same cannot be said about CDN politicians, and we all know those incidents.
To see things like this at an international sporting event is shameful.....
This is what I attributed to you. Majority of the venom was directed at Team USA, and the lesser part of the venom at Jack Johnson. Therefore, the majrity of the "boo-ing" was directed at the individual responsible for the cheap-shot.Caesar said:No, that's not what I said. Here's a quote from my post:
"They were booing Team USA, and to a lesser extent, Jack Johnson, not the US as a nation or a people."
But, like it or not, that team is a symbol of the USA.Caesar said:I say again, I was there - I heard the boos - they were directed at the team, not the country.
Okay. You do think that US spectators “boo-ing” a Team Canada makes it okay to “boo” a Team USA. Would US spectators pissing on a Canadian flag convince you the same would be okay of Canadian spectators?Caesar said:1- The US fans in '04 booed the Canadian team in the US.
2-The Canadian fans booed the US team in Canada in '05.
Caesar said:If Team Canada was booed at the World Juniors by Americans while playing another team, I would take that as a compliment.
Okay. “Boo-ing” is not a compliment. It is a sign of strong disapproval to contempt. Its for show-boats, guys breaking the rules & getting away with it, or the guys that go out there to physically break other players.Caesar said:Just as the top player of the opposition is often booed in any sport, the top team coming into this tournemant was booed. Yes, that's right, the US was favored to win it all. By booing, the fans are acknowleging the quality of the team.
There is the right answer.Gunner said:Booing sports teams shows poor sportsmanship by the spectators.
There again: the right answer.Chimo said:Booing is in poor taste regardless of the situation. I think enthusiasm in support of your team is great and expected. It only lowers your own standing by displaying your poor sportsmanship through booing.
MCG said:But, like it or not, that team is a symbol of the USA.
MCG said:Okay. You do think that US spectators boo-ing a Team Canada makes it okay to boo a Team USA.
MCG said:Would US spectators pissing on a Canadian flag convince you the same would be okay of Canadian spectators?
MCG said:Okay. Boo-ing is not a compliment. It is a sign of strong disapproval to contempt.
MCG said:Its for show-boats, guys breaking the rules & getting away with it, or the guys that go out there to physically break other players.
MCG said:. . . but, to use your analogy of boo-ing as a compliment, what does it say during a game after our team had already kicked Team USA out of a shot for top spot?
They could do that by cheering for the "lesser rival" as opposed to throwing what amounts to insult at the "arch-rival." Why do you need to be negative?Caesar said:So? What's your point? Fans can't voice there desire to see their arch-rivals lose to a lesser rival?
It is only moderately different, because Team USA is also a symbol of the USA.Caesar said:A total red herring. Flag pissing/burning is offensive in the extreme to the nation and a DIRECT desecration of the symbol of the USA. You cannot even begin to compare the two, no matter how much you'd like to.
I will slow it down for you: "Boo-ing" is something your throw at the shit-heads in a game while they are being shit-heads. It is not a compliment. It is a sign of disapproval or contempt.Caesar said:What are you talking about?
MCG said:They could do that by cheering for the "lesser rival" as opposed to throwing what amounts to insult at the "arch-rival." Why do you need to be negative?
MCG said:It is only moderately different, because Team USA is also a symbol of the USA.
MCG said:I will slow it down for you: "Boo-ing" is something your throw at the crap-heads in a game while they are being crap-heads. It is not a compliment. It is a sign of disapproval or contempt.
Amen, brother. I couldn't cheer for the Sovi..er 'Russians' no matter who they played. It's just plain un-Canadian.2 Cdo said:As an aside, never in my life did I actually think that one day Canadians would be cheering for the Russians. Those commie, pinko, heathens don't ever deserve having Canadians cheer for them! Remember '72!
Good to see us beat them evil Ruskies, and the shutout was just icing on the cake!
Glorified Ape said:I watched the cheap-shot by Jack Johnson (who'll die painfully, hopefully) but missed the other cheap-shots mentioned here (against Finland and another team?). I thought the JJ idiocy was an isolated incident - am I wrong?
Caesar said:"Engineers suck"
WHO SAID THAT! :threat:
Well, the Engineers don't have colours, but that aside, the analogy does work even if it does take things to extremes. However, to put it more in perspective for you; would you "Boo" the US Flag or antheme if you saw US fans do the same? If you answer "no" then why would you "boo" the team which is also a symbol of the country?Caesar said:Weak, very weak. Pissing on a flag is akin to desecration of Colours. Would you say someone saying "Engineers suck" is akin to pissing on your Colours?
I'll slow it down some more for you: I'm talking of the shit-heads on the ice/field/court (fill in as appropriate for your sport).Caesar said:You boo losers in the stands?
MCG said:Well, the Engineers don't have colours, but that aside, the analogy does work even if it does take things to extremes.
MCG said:However, to put it more in perspective for you; would you "Boo" the US Flag or antheme if you saw US fans do the same? If you answer "no" then why would you "boo" the team which is also a symbol of the country?
Well, the fans booed enemy #1 to the Canadian Team. That's sports. If you don't like it, go read a book, watch Seinfeld, do whatever. But for God's sake, turn off the game.MCG said:I'll slow it down some more for you: I'm talking of the crap-heads on the ice/field/court (fill in as appropriate for your sport).
Soon2binfantry said:I say you don't even have to cheer, you go to a hockey game cause you like the sport, not because you want to boo the other team because they're from another country, that's just immature. And by the way just because they boo'ed us last year what do we care if we don't retaliate to that then we're prooving that we're more mature and in the end more superior.
Well, by your analogy it could be a compliment.Caesar said:The analogy works? So, if I read you correctly, your saying that someone saying "Seaforth's suck" is akin to pissing on my Colours?
And so is Team USA a symbol of US pride. This is the critical element that you cannot seem to wrap your mind around.Caesar said:Because the flag and anthem are direct symbols of the nation and it's people -
I assumed that you would have pieced the answer together from my other posts. There is a place for booing (when someone's being a jerk in the game, when spectators spoil the flow of a game by entering or throwing objects into the playing area, etc). However, making little of others so that ones self can feel better is the domain of the schoolyard bully. "Negative cheering" or "boo-ing" is more akin to the school bully than to spectators showing good sportsmanship.Caesar said:McG: When the Edmonton Oilers/Eskimos are booed by their own fans, does that bother you? Do you think they are booing themselves as Edmontonians?
Because you can cheer instead. "Boo-ing" implies contempt. Contempt for one team does not automatically imply support for the other team.Caesar said:Why not boo?