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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem_oil    [Azadirachtin ]

Uses[edit]

Neem oil is not used for cooking purposes. In India, it is used for preparing cosmetics (soap, hair products, body hygiene creams, hand creams) and in Ayurvedic, Unani and folklore traditional medicine, in the treatment of a wide range of afflictions. The most frequently reported indications in ancient Ayurvedic writings are skin diseases, inflammations and fevers, and more recently rheumatic disorders.

Traditional Ayurvedic uses of neem include the treatment of acne, fever, leprosy, malaria, ophthalmia and tuberculosis. Various folk remedies for neem include use as an anthelmintic, antifeedant, antiseptic, diuretic, emmenagogue, contraceptive, febrifuge, parasiticide, pediculocide and insecticide. It has been used in traditional medicine for the treatment of tetanus, urticaria, eczema, scrofula and erysipelas. Traditional routes of administration of neem extracts included oral, vaginal and topical use. Neem oil has an extensive history of human use in India and surrounding regions for a variety of therapeutic purposes. Puri (1999) has given an account of traditional uses and therapeutic indications and pharmacological studies of this oil, in his book on neem.[2]

Cancer drug[edit]

A recently released study (2016) by the National University of Singapore that a compound derived from Neem oil holds promise in shrinking prostate tumors.[7]
[more on link]

Wait, it does a lot the same thing pot does but yet it can cause poisoning?  What if..........................?  Naaaaaaaaaw....
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem_oil    [Azadirachtin ]

Uses[edit]

Neem oil is not used for cooking purposes. In India, it is used for preparing cosmetics (soap, hair products, body hygiene creams, hand creams) and in Ayurvedic, Unani and folklore traditional medicine, in the treatment of a wide range of afflictions. The most frequently reported indications in ancient Ayurvedic writings are skin diseases, inflammations and fevers, and more recently rheumatic disorders.

Traditional Ayurvedic uses of neem include the treatment of acne, fever, leprosy, malaria, ophthalmia and tuberculosis. Various folk remedies for neem include use as an anthelmintic, antifeedant, antiseptic, diuretic, emmenagogue, contraceptive, febrifuge, parasiticide, pediculocide and insecticide. It has been used in traditional medicine for the treatment of tetanus, urticaria, eczema, scrofula and erysipelas. Traditional routes of administration of neem extracts included oral, vaginal and topical use. Neem oil has an extensive history of human use in India and surrounding regions for a variety of therapeutic purposes. Puri (1999) has given an account of traditional uses and therapeutic indications and pharmacological studies of this oil, in his book on neem.[2]

Cancer drug[edit]

A recently released study (2016) by the National University of Singapore that a compound derived from Neem oil holds promise in shrinking prostate tumors.[7]
[more on link]

Wait, it does a lot the same thing pot does but yet it can cause poisoning?  What if..........................?  Naaaaaaaaaw....

I was wondering where you were.....

https://steemit.com/cannabis/@thecleangame/cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome-chs-is-azadirachtin-poisoning-tralawar-s-post-reminded-me-to-post-this-ty-tralawar

https://thecleangame.net/2015/12/cannabis-hyperemesis-actually-azadirachtin-poisoning/

You just try too hard Lad....

 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem_oil    [Azadirachtin ]

Uses[edit]

Neem oil is not used for cooking purposes. In India, it is used for preparing cosmetics (soap, hair products, body hygiene creams, hand creams) and in Ayurvedic, Unani and folklore traditional medicine, in the treatment of a wide range of afflictions. The most frequently reported indications in ancient Ayurvedic writings are skin diseases, inflammations and fevers, and more recently rheumatic disorders.

Traditional Ayurvedic uses of neem include the treatment of acne, fever, leprosy, malaria, ophthalmia and tuberculosis. Various folk remedies for neem include use as an anthelmintic, antifeedant, antiseptic, diuretic, emmenagogue, contraceptive, febrifuge, parasiticide, pediculocide and insecticide. It has been used in traditional medicine for the treatment of tetanus, urticaria, eczema, scrofula and erysipelas. Traditional routes of administration of neem extracts included oral, vaginal and topical use. Neem oil has an extensive history of human use in India and surrounding regions for a variety of therapeutic purposes. Puri (1999) has given an account of traditional uses and therapeutic indications and pharmacological studies of this oil, in his book on neem.[2]

Cancer drug[edit]

A recently released study (2016) by the National University of Singapore that a compound derived from Neem oil holds promise in shrinking prostate tumors.[7]
[more on link]

Wait, it does a lot the same thing pot does but yet it can cause poisoning?  What if..........................?  Naaaaaaaaaw....

One more link for you to chew on,

https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=Azadirachtin+Poisoning+and+cannabis&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjkN72mZ3RAhUq5oMKHU3jBAQQgQMIGDAA

That should keep you busy for awhile, as we have a civilized discussion here.
 
ModlrMike said:
Not really that new... it's been described in the medial literature since at least 1974. I typically see 2-3 cases per month. Despite what users might claim, it is a real condition, and has recognizable symptoms:

From your link here.....https://steemit.com/cannabis/@thecleangame/cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome-chs-is-azadirachtin-poisoning-tralawar-s-post-reminded-me-to-post-this-ty-tralawar

Azadirachtin Was First Synthesized A Little Over Ten Years Ago

I chewed....
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
From your link here.....https://steemit.com/cannabis/@thecleangame/cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome-chs-is-azadirachtin-poisoning-tralawar-s-post-reminded-me-to-post-this-ty-tralawar

Azadirachtin Was First Synthesized A Little Over Ten Years Ago

I chewed....

Since you like to scrutinize, well my posts for sure, can you link to me where it states 1974 was the first instance of CHS.

You seem to be good at finding that fly shit in the pepper.

 
Since I quoted ModlrMike for that, who is a trained medical professional, I'll let him answer.

Don't really want unqualified people spouting made-up info........I mean I drink Fireball, but I sure wouldn't consider myself an expert because I enjoy it so much.
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
Since I quoted ModlrMike for that, who is a trained medical professional, I'll let him answer.

Don't really want unqualified people spouting made-up info........I mean I drink Fireball, but I sure wouldn't consider myself an expert because I enjoy it so much.

You don't really want unqualified people spouting made up info.....

Says the man quoting from Wikipedia.

:facepalm:

I am trying to have a conversation with him, and you keep interfering, trying to start a fight with me.  Puhleeze Son.  Trundle off and bother someone over in Radio Chatter.
 
https://www.leafly.ca/news/health/what-is-cannabinoid-hyperemesis-syndrome


What is Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome?

Bailey Rahn

I used cannabis for nausea without realizing it might actually have been the cause of it. Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome (also known as cannabis hyperemesis syndrome, or CHS) is a recently discovered, poorly understood condition theoretically caused by heavy, long-term cannabis use. Its acute “hyperemetic” phase is characterized by vomiting, nausea, severe gastrointestinal discomfort, and compulsive bathing, although it may be preceded by a period of milder symptoms like morning nausea, consistent urges to vomit, and abdominal pain.

When I read about this condition in a 2011 study from Temple University, I nearly fell out of my chair. I’ve been using cannabis medicinally for the last five years to treat morning sickness, nausea, and intestinal pain. A conversation with an ex came to mind. He used to antagonistically pose theories that cannabis might be what’s causing the problems, to which I would respond with a heated and defensive, “Cannabis is the only thing that helps, why the hell would it be causing it?!”

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Fast-forward one year to a discussion with my budtender who recently experienced the acute phase of the condition. As per her doctor’s recommendation, she set cannabis aside and within a few weeks, she made a full recovery. My friend’s symptoms were so much more severe than mine, it never occurred to me that I might be experiencing early stages of the same condition.

In fact, it took a long, hard look at the research for me to admit that the condition might even exist at all.
Research on Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome

The earliest focused study on the cannabinoid hyperemesis phenomenon appears to be in 2004, when Australian researchers noticed a commonality among patients experiencing cyclical vomiting symptoms: chronic cannabis use. Seven out of ten subjects who abstained from cannabis resolved their cyclical vomiting symptoms; the other three participants refused to abstain and their symptoms continued.

Small case studies surfaced in the years following, demonstrating similar patterns:

    In 2009, a 22-year old cannabis consumer exhibited CHS symptoms in a U.K. case study. His symptoms resolved following cannabis cessation.
    Two more cases in 2009 that matched CHS criteria were recorded. Severe symptoms improved following 24 to 48 hours after cannabis cessation.
    A 42-year old chronic cannabis user was CHS symptom-free 3 months after his diagnosis, according to a 2014 U.K. case study.

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The appearance of cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome in medical literature is rare for two reasons: (a) the condition has only recently been acknowledged and named, and (b) CHS – as a result – is likely to have been misdiagnosed as cyclical vomiting syndrome (CVS). Though rarely seen in study papers, personal stories are beginning to bubble up in media reports and by word-of-mouth.

I asked a number of doctors to share any cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome patient information they had on hand, but it seemed that cannabis doctors were the only ones even privy to the condition at all. With 33 million Americans consuming cannabis, we can only hope that researchers and medical professionals will start to explore the many questions tied to this condition.
What are Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome Signs and Symptoms?

Among patients diagnosed with cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, most tend to be “young adults with a long history of cannabis use,” according to the 2011 Temple study.

    “In nearly all cases there is a delay of several years in the onset of symptoms preceded by chronic marijuana abuse. Daily marijuana use is characteristic and often reported as exceeding three to five times per day.”

As previously mentioned, researchers have proposed CHS be characterized by three phases.
1. Prodromal Phase

Typically months or years before exhibiting severe cyclical vomiting symptoms, the patient experiences:

    Morning sickness
    Abdominal pain and discomfort
    Nausea and fear of vomiting

Appetite is typically unaffected during this phase, but researchers note that consumers tend to administer more cannabis as a nausea remedy.

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2. Hyperemetic Phase

The acute phase of the illness is characterized by an intensification of effects and unique behaviors:

    Persistent nausea and vomiting that can last for hours at a time
    Frequent retching, up to five times an hour
    Abdominal pain
    Weight loss
    Dehydration
    Habitual bathing and/or showering

Why the compulsive bathing and showering? Hot temperatures are known to relieve the nausea and vomiting associated with CHS. The reasons why are not well developed, but researchers propose that “hot bathing may act by correcting the cannabis-induced equilibrium of the thermoregulatory system of the hypothalamus.”

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A 2014 review offers further explanation:

    “The brain may react to changes in core body temperature due to the dose-dependent hypothermic effects of [THC]. Alternatively, the bathing behaviour may be a result of direct CB1 receptor activation in the hypothalamus by [THC] or another active compound and may not necessarily be a response to changes in core body temperature.”

3. Recovery Phase

After halting cannabis use (the only cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome “treatment” option), patients typically recover in a matter of days, weeks, or months. Nausea ceases, appetite resumes, body weight is regained, and bathing/showering regimen returns to normal.
Why Would Cannabis Cause the Symptoms that Characterize CHS?

Though it will take a lot more research to evolve theory to fact, scientists at Temple University have a few leads on why cannabis might cause nausea and vomiting, upsetting what we’ve come to expect from our favorite anti-nausea remedy.

Cannabis may help us feel less nauseous by activating specific parts of the central nervous system, but what else might be happening in the gut itself? According to study authors from Temple University, activation of CB1 receptors (primarily by THC) may result in the following gastrointestinal actions:

    Inhibition of gastric acid secretion
    Lower esophageal sphincter relaxation
    Altered intestinal motility
    Visceral pain
    Inflammation
    Reduces gastric motility
    Delays gastric emptying

These mechanisms are all ingredients in a theory that is yet to be baked, but it presents an interesting paradox – that THC, when consumed heavily and over a long period of time, may exert anti-emetic properties on the brain, but cause nausea via its effect on the gut.

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The study also mentions a tangle of interactions between two secondary cannabinoids found in cannabis, CBD and CBG. They write:

    “In animals the effect of CBD on toxin-induced vomiting displays a biphasic response with low doses producing an anti-emetic effect whereas higher doses enhance vomiting. Cannabigerol (CBG) is a non-psychotropic cannabinoid that behaves as an antagonist at both the CB1 and 5-HT1A receptors. This antagonism reverses the anti-emetic actions of low-dose CBD, which likely occurs at the 5-HT1A receptor. The pro-emetic properties of CBD (at higher doses) and CBG may play a role in the severe nausea and vomiting observed in patients with Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome.”

To reiterate, these are theories, not proven or substantiated results. These ideas pull from a patchwork of cannabis research – some from animal models and others from human trials. For this reason, it’s important to take this report and related case studies with a grain of salt.

Medical Professionals are Still Skeptical on Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome

The proposals and theories put forth by researchers are compelling, but some medical professionals remain skeptical.

Authors of a 2006 review out of Australia criticize the original 2004 research that defined cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome for poor study design and for misattributing increases in cannabis use to liberalized laws.

“Cannabis has been consumed for many centuries and is currently used by millions of people in many countries,” the authors wrote. “It is hard to believe that a distinctive syndrome caused by cannabis has never been noted before by users or clinicians.”

I spoke to a doctor from Green Leaf Health Care here in Seattle, wondering what his take on the research was. He, too, showed a degree of skepticism and offered another possible explanation.

“I have an additional theory which is that cannabis grown with chemicals is affecting people in various ways, [and] this may be one of them,” he said. “I've traveled through India and Asia extensively and know heavy long-term users without ever having issues regarding hyperemesis. Perhaps long term use and concentrated levels could produce these issues in certain susceptible individuals; however, I feel like it's more of a chemical issue.”

The fact of the matter is, we don’t have enough research to show if or why cannabis is the cause of these symptoms. What we do know is that there are people out there who benefit from cutting back on their intake or ceasing altogether. It may be purely coincidence that my cutting back coincided with a gastrointestinal recovery. We can’t know why halting cannabis use helped my friend, or why she gets sick when she tries to resume. All we know is there’s a possibility of connection, and that successfully bridging such a connection holds important implications for those who use cannabis every day.
 
I could care less about a "fight".........this is a forum for debate.

You have your thread that no one can post in but you so why not just stay there?
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
I could care less about a "fight".........this is a forum for debate.

You have your thread that no one can post in but you so why not just stay there?

You are really sad.

 
John Tescione said:
You are really sad.

Whats really sad is the state of denial of the MM community when something negative is mentioned about MM. Its probably a good thing that VAC is cutting you back to 3 grams a day as higher doses is causing problems.
 
Chief Stoker said:
Whats really sad is the state of denial of the MM community when something negative is mentioned about MM. Its probably a good thing that VAC is cutting you back to 3 grams a day as higher doses is causing problems.

This is the second time you have taken to attack me personally.

First you admitted to posting, and betting a friend to see how soon I would post.  Now you are saying it is a good thing my therapy is cut back.

I would suggest you stay in your lanes, as that is a violation of the forums rules.  If you want to particpate in this discussion, good.  If you want to use it to bait me into a fight, not going to happen pal. 

I hope one day, your therapy gets cut back.  Then you will see how painful it can be. 
 
OK.  Everyone to their own corner at least until the new year.  We don't require yet another thread with people bashing each other about Cannabis.  You want to fight it out, do so via PMs.  We (The rest of the site members and staff) are getting tired of it.  Big Fonts and questionable articles (in some cases) don't cut it.  Proper, respectful debate does.  If you can't do that then go elsewhere.

I'll unlock in a few days.

STAFF
 
Unlocked.  If it turns into another slugfest then it gets locked again.

Staff
 
I'm not a doctor. Just something I read,

Patient smokes a lot of pot? Has severe abdominal pain and violent vomiting?
Dx: Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mysterious-marijuana-flu-emergency-rooms_us_5869d6bee4b0eb586489f7e6
Mysterious Marijuana-Related Illness Popping Up In Emergency Rooms
The vomiting illness is increasing in states with legal pot.
 
mariomike said:
I'm not a doctor. Just something I read,

Patient smokes a lot of pot? Has severe abdominal pain and violent vomiting?
Dx: Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mysterious-marijuana-flu-emergency-rooms_us_5869d6bee4b0eb586489f7e6
Mysterious Marijuana-Related Illness Popping Up In Emergency Rooms
The vomiting illness is increasing in states with legal pot.

I see it once or twice a month in my ER.  People look at you like you're a four headed alien when you tell them what the problem is.

MM
 
So obviously there is something to Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome despite the opinions of some. For the record i'm not against its use as a medicine for veterans as long as VAC carefully regulates its use. The fact that VAC on the advice of Health Canada has cut the limit from 10 grams a day to 3 with the option to raise the limit on a recommendation from a doctor is very sound advice in my opinion.
 
Chief Stoker said:
So obviously there is something to Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome despite the opinions of some. For the record i'm not against its use as a medicine for veterans as long as VAC carefully regulates its use. The fact that VAC on the advice of Health Canada has cut the limit from 10 grams a day to 3 with the option to raise the limit on a recommendation from a doctor is very sound advice in my opinion.

Any treatment plan should involve eventual cessation of use, giving someone any drug willy nilly without any comprehensive action plan is a recipe for disaster, the rise of opioid addiction is a perfect example of that.  Doctors cutting blank cheques on drugs is not what people need.
 
Humphrey Bogart said:
Any treatment plan should involve eventual cessation of use, giving someone any drug willy nilly without any comprehensive action plan is a recipe for disaster, the rise of opioid addiction is a perfect example of that.  Doctors cutting blank cheques on drugs is not what people need.

From what I have read VAC became alarmed when there was sizable increase of prescriptions and something like 53% of 1300 patients was from four doctors. I know from reading that many doctors do not prescribe because of the health risks of MM and often patients will flock to doctors that are more sympathetic which makes sense. Looking at the online forums many users will offer advice to which doctors to use. Because MM is a drug and is addictive although not as much as other drugs, I would imagine cessation is not an option for many.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-places-three-gram-limit-on-amount-of-medical-pot-it-covers-for-veterans/article32976065/
 
Its not just the unknown long term effects of heavy MM use that are scary, the limited Health Canada oversight on this herbal remedy is showing some toxic/banned pesticides being used in production:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canadians-not-told-about-banned-pesticide-found-in-medical-marijuana-supply/article33443887/

Canadians not told about banned pesticide found in medical pot supply

Grant Robertson

The Globe and Mail

Published Thursday, Dec. 29, 2016 5:00AM EST
Last updated Thursday, Dec. 29, 2016 6:40AM EST

A controversial pesticide banned in Canada has been discovered in products sold by a federally licensed medical marijuana producer, The Globe and Mail has learned, but neither the company nor Health Canada have informed the public.

Myclobutanil, a chemical that is also prohibited for use on legal cannabis in Colorado, Washington and Oregon because of health concerns, was found in product recently recalled by Mettrum Ltd., a Toronto-based medical marijuana company.

The pesticide is not approved for use on plants that are combusted, such as tobacco or cannabis, and is known to emit hydrogen cyanide when heated. Lawmakers in the three U.S. states moved quickly to ban myclobutanil, in some cases enacting emergency legislation when they discovered growers using it.

But the lack of public disclosure by Health Canada raises new questions about what controls are in place to ensure the product is free of contaminants and chemicals, particularly as the government prepares to introduce legislation to legalize the drug next year.

A Globe investigation this summer called into question the department’s ability to detect potentially dangerous contaminants, and revealed that Health Canada standards at the time did not require testing for myclobutanil and other banned chemicals.

The Mettrum discovery was made recently, when a random screening of the company’s products by Health Canada turned up the unauthorized use of pyrethrin, a pesticide derived from the chrysanthemum plant that is also not approved for medical cannabis.

Mettrum issued a voluntary recall of the affected products on Nov. 1 and said the pyrethrin was used by mistake, because it was not listed on the ingredients of a spray the company was using.

But when Health Canada performed further tests on the samples, it also discovered they contained myclobutanil, which all producers know is a banned substance. However, for reasons that are not immediately clear, neither Health Canada nor Mettrum announced the findings to the public.

The full Globe investigation is here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/investigations/globe-investigation-whats-in-your-weed-we-tested-dispensary-marijuana-to-findout/article31144496/
 
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