The "Wanting To Join Another Military" Thread- Them To Us- Us To Them
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TXGuard said:
Its actually called the Regular Force here. There are a lot of Army and Air Force trades that work in bases in Ontario for the RegF, which would keep you closer to the wife's family. What's your MOS in the Texas Nat Guard? Could help someone recommend a trade in the CF that's close to what you previously did, unless you want a bigger change.
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Ah, thanks for the correction there.
I'm a 35-series in the TX Guard, which I think you guys roll up into one MOC (Intel Op.).
The sticking point there is that I seriously doubt Canada would grant a Top Secret clearance to a permanent resident, so my background may be less relevant that I'd originally thought.
My wife and I talked about it a bit more and she figures she might as well complete the US citizenship process before we pull the trigger on a move anywhere, so I'll likely reenlist in the TX Guard for another six years. I'd only be 32 at the completion of that, and still young enough to hack Basic again.
Hopefully I'll have my degree completed by then, so I can find something to do while I try to get back into uniform if we move up to Canada.
Hopefully I'll have my degree completed by then, so I can find something to do while I try to get back into uniform if we move up to Canada.
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Just for your own information if this is correct (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/35.-xiW.htm)
Some parallel Canadian trades would be Int OP, comms research, image tech, geo tech, There's probably a couple other that I can't think of at the moment.
Some parallel Canadian trades would be Int OP, comms research, image tech, geo tech, There's probably a couple other that I can't think of at the moment.
That's the correct field.
I figured trades like that would be comparable. I appreciate you listing them out. I would probably lean towards Int. Op., as that's the bulk of my experience, but I'm not above branching out into other things.
Half my time in the military has been spent doing common tasks, and my last job was to be a "diet" Training NCO, so I sort of did whatever needed doing (mostly teaching marksmanship classes or working ranges).
I figured trades like that would be comparable. I appreciate you listing them out. I would probably lean towards Int. Op., as that's the bulk of my experience, but I'm not above branching out into other things.
Half my time in the military has been spent doing common tasks, and my last job was to be a "diet" Training NCO, so I sort of did whatever needed doing (mostly teaching marksmanship classes or working ranges).
If you are looking for full-time employment, the Reserve Force is not the place. There are very few full-time Reserve positions.
Regular Force service could see you posted anywhere in this Country, or many places outside of it, for varying periods.
Regular Force service could see you posted anywhere in this Country, or many places outside of it, for varying periods.
I figured as much. Getting a full-time slot in the Reserves or Guard in the US is much the same way.
As for moving around and being stationed elsewhere in the world, I'm more or less used to that by now. I'm from Texas, but I haven't spent more than a month in Texas in the last three years.
As for moving around and being stationed elsewhere in the world, I'm more or less used to that by now. I'm from Texas, but I haven't spent more than a month in Texas in the last three years.
Hi,
I'm in the Australian army currently, Royal Australian Infantry Corps. I still have just under 2 years service before I can discharge. So this is just an enquiry out of interest for now. I enjoy being a grunt and I could quite happily stay where I am, but I have been thinking about moving to another country for a few years to work, and create a bit of a new adventure for myself.
So a few of my questions for now :
* What posting opportunities are there?( I know the Americans can get posted all over the world. Unlike here where its pretty much just Australia)
*What kind of leave entitlements do you get?
*What is the average pay?
*Can you move off base and live in the surrounding suburbs ?
*Would my qualifications carry over? (specialist quals, weapons etc)
*What is the cost of living in Canada like?
*What is the training like, do you do a lot of conventional style training or more urban tactics ? ( we do a crap load of conventional , fighting in the bush, a lot of fire and movement in the scrub and hardly an urban training , which sucks)
* What is the minimum period of service for a grunt?
*I remember reading that there are 3 battalions , what is different about them ? do they specialise in certain areas?
*Can anyone tell me what hoops I would have to jump through to be able to work in Canada? My mother was born in Canada I don't know if that would help me?
*also probably a stupid question , does everyone speak english or would I need to learn French?
Thats it for now , cheers.
I'm in the Australian army currently, Royal Australian Infantry Corps. I still have just under 2 years service before I can discharge. So this is just an enquiry out of interest for now. I enjoy being a grunt and I could quite happily stay where I am, but I have been thinking about moving to another country for a few years to work, and create a bit of a new adventure for myself.
So a few of my questions for now :
* What posting opportunities are there?( I know the Americans can get posted all over the world. Unlike here where its pretty much just Australia)
*What kind of leave entitlements do you get?
*What is the average pay?
*Can you move off base and live in the surrounding suburbs ?
*Would my qualifications carry over? (specialist quals, weapons etc)
*What is the cost of living in Canada like?
*What is the training like, do you do a lot of conventional style training or more urban tactics ? ( we do a crap load of conventional , fighting in the bush, a lot of fire and movement in the scrub and hardly an urban training , which sucks)
* What is the minimum period of service for a grunt?
*I remember reading that there are 3 battalions , what is different about them ? do they specialise in certain areas?
*Can anyone tell me what hoops I would have to jump through to be able to work in Canada? My mother was born in Canada I don't know if that would help me?
*also probably a stupid question , does everyone speak english or would I need to learn French?
Thats it for now , cheers.
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Posting opportunities for infantry guys are very rare, some higher ups may get posted somewhere for a short duration.
Leave starts with 20 annual days but there's short days, special days etc added to block leave.
Yes it's very easy to move off base, just a memo and a financial worksheet.
As for your quals I'm not certain.
Having spent a few months in Australia I can say the cost of living here is slightly cheaper.
YES we still do a TON of conventional training! We have urban training facilities located next to our infantry battalions that we hardly use. This is a sore spot for me... Considering the worlds population is moving into built up areas in greater numbers every year.
3 years for a guy signing up of the street. 2nd term is another 3, then 5,etc. voluntary release is possible after your first contract but it can still be denied.
There's 3 regiments with 3 battalions each. 2 are English speaking. Having been in both now all I will say is same s**t different pile. As much as the each regiment believes they are the best. All that really matters is how professional your direct chain of command is. The locations differ though. Our 3rd battalions in each regiment are light infantry all others are mechanized. Each company pretends that they specialize in something... They don't. Aside from the para role in each light infantry battalion.
The hoops will be tricky as officially Canada doesn't hire non-citizens, however I trained with a soldier from a non-commonwealth country who was not a citizen of Canada. But he had lived here for the past ten years and qualified for citizenship. I know the ADF posts gaps they would like to fill with overseas recruits on their website. I don't think we do the same.
You would not need to learn to speak French.
Leave starts with 20 annual days but there's short days, special days etc added to block leave.
Yes it's very easy to move off base, just a memo and a financial worksheet.
As for your quals I'm not certain.
Having spent a few months in Australia I can say the cost of living here is slightly cheaper.
YES we still do a TON of conventional training! We have urban training facilities located next to our infantry battalions that we hardly use. This is a sore spot for me... Considering the worlds population is moving into built up areas in greater numbers every year.
3 years for a guy signing up of the street. 2nd term is another 3, then 5,etc. voluntary release is possible after your first contract but it can still be denied.
There's 3 regiments with 3 battalions each. 2 are English speaking. Having been in both now all I will say is same s**t different pile. As much as the each regiment believes they are the best. All that really matters is how professional your direct chain of command is. The locations differ though. Our 3rd battalions in each regiment are light infantry all others are mechanized. Each company pretends that they specialize in something... They don't. Aside from the para role in each light infantry battalion.
The hoops will be tricky as officially Canada doesn't hire non-citizens, however I trained with a soldier from a non-commonwealth country who was not a citizen of Canada. But he had lived here for the past ten years and qualified for citizenship. I know the ADF posts gaps they would like to fill with overseas recruits on their website. I don't think we do the same.
You would not need to learn to speak French.
Would you be coming here as a permanent resident?
Some people look to transfer directly into the Canadian Forces - if that's you there are a lot of hurdles to climb - so about 6-8 months before your contract is up I would contact a recruiting centre and explore the possibilities of making a transfer. It is no slam dunk by any means but as the process works now you would send a record of your qualifications to the recruiting centre who would send them to the HQ who would then fwd them to the Infantry managing authority to see if they want/or are interested in you.
Some people look to transfer directly into the Canadian Forces - if that's you there are a lot of hurdles to climb - so about 6-8 months before your contract is up I would contact a recruiting centre and explore the possibilities of making a transfer. It is no slam dunk by any means but as the process works now you would send a record of your qualifications to the recruiting centre who would send them to the HQ who would then fwd them to the Infantry managing authority to see if they want/or are interested in you.
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I have seen talk about ex military being hired among other things.
Is there a way where you can permanently transfer from the CAF to the ADF? If so, what is the criteria? How does one request to do such a thing?
EDIT: A SUMMARY OF THREAD FOR OTHERS INTERESTED IN THE SAME QUESTION(Updated as of: 07FEB15)
- It appears that no you CAN NOT permanently transfer from the CAF to the ADF as an NCM.
- The army component of the ADF appears to have accepted CAF mbrs that are officers via the "Overseas Lateral Transfer"(http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/recruitmentCentre/canIJoin/overseasApplicants/army.aspx) but this is case by case; please note this is different from an OUTCAN posting. Although, I am not sure if still possible since that type of work visa was closed on 01JUL12. (Reference: http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/855.aspx)
- Finally, any ex-military personnel may apply to the ADF and appear to be able to receive a "Permanent Residency Visa" through their Overseas Applicant entry plan. (http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/recruitmentCentre/canIJoin/overseasApplicants/airforce.aspx)
Is there a way where you can permanently transfer from the CAF to the ADF? If so, what is the criteria? How does one request to do such a thing?
EDIT: A SUMMARY OF THREAD FOR OTHERS INTERESTED IN THE SAME QUESTION(Updated as of: 07FEB15) - It appears that no you CAN NOT permanently transfer from the CAF to the ADF as an NCM.
- The army component of the ADF appears to have accepted CAF mbrs that are officers via the "Overseas Lateral Transfer"(http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/recruitmentCentre/canIJoin/overseasApplicants/army.aspx) but this is case by case; please note this is different from an OUTCAN posting. Although, I am not sure if still possible since that type of work visa was closed on 01JUL12. (Reference: http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/855.aspx)
- Finally, any ex-military personnel may apply to the ADF and appear to be able to receive a "Permanent Residency Visa" through their Overseas Applicant entry plan. (http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/recruitmentCentre/canIJoin/overseasApplicants/airforce.aspx)
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AuthenticTshirt said:
It's a two step process.
1. Release from the CF.
2. Move to Australia and see if they will hire you.
Or do a little research - it took me 3.5 seconds including the typing - to see if you can start any part of the process before releasing from the CF. http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/recruitmentcentre/canIJoin/overseasApplicants/
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:bowing: Edit: definitely didn't mean to post this emoticon.
The first sentence of my original post says that I know they take ex military.
The question is can you transfer from the CAF to ADF? Which implies that one is still in the CAF.
I have heard that you can transfer in the commonwealth from military to military.
So I am curious if a policy exists that lets a CAF mbr request to be transfered to the ADF(or even to the brits)?
I am guessing this info would be on the milnet and not the public CAF or ADF site.
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AuthenticTshirt said:
The first sentence of my original post says that I know they take ex military.
The question is can you transfer from the CAF to ADF? Which implies that one is still in the CAF.
I have heard that you can transfer in the commonwealth from military to military.
So I am curious if a policy exists that lets a CAF mbr request to be transfered to the ADF(or even to the brits)?
I am guessing this info would be on the milnet and not the public CAF or ADF site.
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AuthenticTshirt said:
If you're talking about permanently transferring to the ADF (as opposed to just a posting overseas) while still remaining in the CAF, no. What Blackadder said is the only permanent way (Lateral Recruitment) which means you have to leave the CAF.
Also, what trade/quals you hold will be a big part of the process. Definitely do your research and make sure the ADF will sponsor your transfer before leaving the CAF.
Lastly, speaking from personal experience being on an Australian posting right now, make sure that the ADF is actually what you want instead of being confused with the stereotypical "Australian surf lifestyle in the Gold Coast". Their bases are located in cities in general, but they have just as many middle-of-nowhere training areas as Canada does which you'll most likely spend a lot of time in.
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The way you wrote your question is confusing.AuthenticTshirt said:
To permanently transfer to me means a lateral transfer, as described above, and not what you might be thinking - an exchange position in the ADF, meaning you spent several years in the ADF and your counterpart spends several years in the CAF. There is no program that allows a CAF member to spend most of their career in the ADF.
I believe that there are several exchanges between the CAD and ADF but these are for Officers. Dimsum is on one and there are one or two with ADF HQ Canberra or their deployable joint headquarters.
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I can confirm (as Dimsum stated already) that AUS takes lateral transfers from Canada, but it dependent on trade, rank, and specific skillsets. This is done to address specific shortfalls in the ADF, and your application will be assessed on a case-by-case basis. This is not to be confused with an OUTCAN posting where you are basically "on loan" to the ADF.
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Very interesting. I have applied to the CF for the pilot program and am sick of working crappy 9-5's to pass the time, waiting for "the call"/ the next step in the application process. I know the pilot program is in high demand but as a Canadian citizen I've considered applying to the Commonwealth British and Australian air force. I love my country, but I love the idea of being a Pilot for the next 25 years than working a 12 hour nightshift at Walmart waiting for the call, if it means I serve for another country. Any thoughts?
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