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The whole "single engine" thing is less relevant now, since engines are much better than they were back then.
The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
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Would you be surprised if that was all just BS and the reason we went (C)F-18 was that McDonnell Douglas had a much better offset package than General Dynamics? You don’t think it had anything to do with number of engines, as opposed to which ridings would see the most money injected into them Post-contract award…
ps. Interesting Cliff Claven fact…research when Red Lobster restaurants came into being. If you guessed in the years immediately following the contract award to McDonnell Douglas, and imagine how much of an offset multiplier they got for the recapitalization of most Ponderosa restaurants into Red Lobsters (infrastructure, personnel costs, supply chain credits, etc), you’ll see why the offset game, now called Industrial and (used to be blatantly termed ‘Regional’) Technology Benefits (ITBs), figures prominently in major government procurement…
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I miss a good old Ponderosa steak.....every friday night when I was a kid, Dad would take the whole family out to Ponderosa for dinner.Would you be surprised if that was all just BS and the reason we went (C)F-18 was that McDonnell Douglas has a much better offset package than General Dynamics? You don’t think it had anything to do with number of engines, as opposed to which risings would see the most money injected into them Post-contract award…
ps. Interesting Cliff Claven fact…research when Red Lobster restaurants came into being. If you guessed in the years immediately following the contract award to McDonnell Douglas, and imagine how much of an offset multiplier they got for the recapitalization of most Ponderosa restaurants into Red Lobsters (infrastructure, personnel costs, supply chain credits, etc), you’ll see why the offset game, now called Industrial and (used to be blatantly termed ‘Regional’) Technology Benefits (ITBs), figures prominently in major government procurement…
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Except one kid's name is Quebec then he always got the biggest steak. And dessert.
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Honestly not surprised at all.Would you be surprised if that was all just BS and the reason we went (C)F-18 was that McDonnell Douglas has a much better offset package than General Dynamics? You don’t think it had anything to do with number of engines, as opposed to which risings would see the most money injected into them Post-contract award…
I really enjoyed Ponderosas - that makes me sad.
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AND I neglected to mention this if your name is Alberta you get nothing and you pay for Quebec's steak.
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Procurement deliver something in under 10 years
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CH-147 Chinook
Identification: 25 July 2005
First delivery: 25 June 2013
CC-177 Globemaster
Identification: 19 May 2006
Last aircraft delivery: 31 Mar 2014
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Ah but those have already happened, where as take the pistol for example being tossed back to the drawing board
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CH148 Cyclone
Identification: 2003
First delivery: 2016
Last delivery: ???
CC295 Kingfisher
Identification: 2002
First delivery: December 2019
Last delivery: ???
To negate the lag in our procurement process, we need to be looking 20-40 years ahead. Difficult to do with 4 year mandates and no tangible strategic guidance….
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Yes. That's how I knew they took less than 10 years.
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Two projects with very heavy political overriding factors (covering previous PM’s legacy, and teaching the RCAF a lesson about being so brash as to say what it ‘wants’…)
147 and 177 both had (generally) pan-Parliament support.
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147 and 177 (and to some extent the 130J) were somewhat unique in that we were fighting a long war and the requirements were derived from that. Won’t happen again. Every other procurement takes decades.
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They also used UOR in both situations as I recall
I’m guessing a new fighter before the PLD is fixed.
Why? Honestly no idea… PLD hasn’t been on the drawing board for decades yet?
You hit on several good points here Max.
We were committed to a long war, and equipping the forces to fight that war had broad support across Parliament.
Not only that, but it didn’t matter what political party was in power. The moment something happened, or the media ran with something, the other parties demanded that the one in power fix the problem immediately.
So it had broad support across Parliament, but it also gave the vultures in each party something they thought they could pick at.
It benefited us either way.
Governments will dither (especially ours) until there is a crisis. And okay then will they somehow be able to get a lot done in short order, because the processes & rules (aka self-made red tape) magically disappears.
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Absolutely no one was willing to let Colt Canada have access to their TDP for a relatively insignificant number of guns.
Now that CZ owns Colt - one might find out that the new pistol is a CZ...
Or the CF could drop the give us the TDP and made in Canada requirement-
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No. At least 147. The 147D (IMLC) was for the war quite clearly and directly. The 147F (MHLH) was for getting back for the future, the capability given up in 1991.
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You can’t say that this wasn’t greatly helped by Afghanistan.
