The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[jmt18325]

Maybe they'll go for a cheap dual role aircraft like the Korean Aerospace / Lockheed Martin FA-50...has some Air-to-Air capability unlike the Scorpion and can be used for ground attack.  Is already in production and in service with a couple of countries and it's unarmed T-50 model is Lockheed Martin's entry into the USAF's T-X advanced trainer program to provide a supersonic aircraft for training F-35 pilots.

If we were to buy these from Lockheed Martin (and possibly boost their chances in the T-X competition by having an in-service base and existing production) would they possibly give Canada some consideration on continuing contractor participation in the F-35 program if we were to "defer" a decision on an F-35 purchase instead of cancelling outright?

http://www.koreaaero.com/english/product/fixedwing_t-50.asp

I think it's more likely we'd buy the newest F-16.

 

[dimsum]

I think it's more likely we'd buy the newest F-16.

Nope - the politics of "two engines for the North" is too strong, however misguided that may be. 

 

[Kirkhill]

Well that solution would fit the rest of the forces back to the past trend.

How about an RCAF Typhoon instead?  CBC will never know the difference.

 

[jmt18325]

Nope - the politics of "two engines for the North" is too strong, however misguided that may be.

Yes, that's why I think the Super Hornet has pretty much sealed the deal before the competition even begins, with an outside chance for the Rafale, and the Typhoon being my preference.

 

[PuckChaser]

Yes, that's why I think the Super Hornet has pretty much sealed the deal before the competition even begins, with an outside chance for the Rafale, and the Typhoon being my preference.

Glad you're willing to buy a gen 4 Typhoon at greater cost than a gen 5 F35.

 

[jmt18325]

Glad you're willing to buy a gen 4 Typhoon at greater cost than a gen 5 F35.

It's a better air interdiction fighter by far. 

 

[MarkOttawa]

Chris Pook:

Tee hee:

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How about an RCAF Typhoon instead?  CBC will never know the difference.

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Mark
Ottawa

 

[jmt18325]

One thing worth considering - if the new F-16 is around $50M as I've heard, that could be enough to sell it to Canada.  We could even easily afford to replace our entire 80 aircraft.  The procurement budget would go from $9B to $4B leaving a lot of extra money for the Navy, and the Liberals wanted.

 

[SupersonicMax]

It's a better air interdiction fighter by far.

Please substentiate. 

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Please substentiate.

How dare you suggest such a thing!  Everyone knows the discussion revolving around the F35 is all about conjecture.

 

[Infanteer]

It's clear that he's flown a Typhoon in air-to-air combat against an F-35 to see the results first hand!

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

It's clear that he's flown a Typhoon in air-to-air combat against an F-35 to see the results first hand!

I played Jetfighter II growing up, that pretty much makes me an expert on all things Air Force related!  I'm waiting for CBC to drop me a line for some colour commentary!

 

[Good2Golf]

I think I dozed off, did we already address classic Harvard with hard points? 

 

[Kirkhill]

Fits with the both the modern Training meme AND the Tradition thing.

 

[jmt18325]

It's clear that he's flown a Typhoon in air-to-air combat against an F-35 to see the results first hand!

As I haven't, I can only by what he read.  Sorry, it's built up as and described as a far better air to air platform than most, in the same league as the F-15.

 

[SupersonicMax]

As I haven't, I can only by what he read.  Sorry, it's built up as and described as a far better air to air platform than most, in the same league as the F-15.

Again, back your claims up.  Wha makes it better.

 

[Good2Golf]

Fair to say Typhoon was an improvement over the F3 air interceptor variant of the 'East Anglia Landshark', a.k.a. Tornado.  That said, deltas usually do fairly well in climbs to altitude, but not sure their EM performance at the corner is any better than modified delta or more conventional planforms.  I too would be interested to see any (unclassified) information showing why Typhoon would be any better than any other aircraft with similar specific excess power.

 

[jmt18325]

Again, back your claims up.  Wha makes it better.

It has better wing loading and thrust ratios than almost any competitor.  I'm not overly committed to this idea, I'm just going by what I've read.  I think, on balance, it's not a good solution for Canada.  It is, apparently, a very good air to air fighter, which is why almost every country that has bought it uses it for border security.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

It has better wing loading and thrust ratios than almost any competitor.  I'm not overly committed to this idea, I'm just going by what I've read.  I think, on balance, it's not a good solution for Canada.  It is, apparently, a very good air to air fighter, which is why almost every country that has bought it uses it for border security.

I think he means provide a source 

 

[Ostrozac]

It is, apparently, a very good air to air fighter, which is why almost every country that has bought it uses it for border security.

The Royal Saudi Air Force use F-15C as their primary air defence fighter -- Typhoon is being used for the strike role, especially in Yemen.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/04/06/operation-decisive-storm-rsaf/

And for the NORAD role, do we really care about the relative quality of the air to air capability? Last I heard, Russian doctrine was that Bears were operating without fighter escort. Air to air capability seems more important for the expeditionary role (self-escort strike, enforcing no-fly zones, etc...).