The Next Conservative Leader

[Kirkhill]

Couldn't have been that well organized a campaign if it took until the 13th ballot to have its effect.

Total number of dairy farms in Canada - 11,280
Total number of dairy farms in Ontario - 3,731
Total number of dairy farms in Quebec - 5.546
Total number of Agropur dairy members - 3,345

So.....3000 votes.    Large percentage of a small pool.

But that would be collusion.

By the way..... not unhappy with Scheer.  Would have been happier with Max.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... But that would be collusion ...

One man's collusion is another's block special-interest voting  ;D

 

[Loachman]

There's no requirement that says you have to be a member of the CPC for "x" number of days/months/years

Yes, there is. There was a publicized cut-off date for new members several months in advance of the vote. Anybody who joined after that was not eligible.

 

[Kirkhill]

One man's collusion is another's block special-interest voting  ;D

My conspiracy.  Your plan.  :nod:

 

[The Bread Guy]

Aaaaaaaaand from the predictably whiny Socialists with the International Committee of the Fourth International ...

Andrew Scheer was elected last Saturday as the new leader of the Conservative Party, Canada’s Official Opposition, in a membership vote. His victory, largely thanks to appeals to social conservatives and a brazen defence of former Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s hard-right record, brings an end to a campaign which saw the Conservatives move still further right.

Scheer, a Saskatchewan MP and former House of Commons Speaker, has cast himself as “Harper with a smile.” On the 13th ballot he secured 51 percent support, in an electoral system that gave each constituency equal weight irrespective of the number of Conservative voters. He defeated Maxime Bernier, a self-avowed libertarian and Harper cabinet minister who had led on all previous 12 ballots.

Scheer’s campaign drew on the militarism, xenophobia and low tax policies espoused by Harper during his decade in power.

(...)

Although Scheer laid claim to Harper’s mantle, his victory does not mean the Conservatives are simply following Harper’s agenda, as right-wing as that was. The leadership campaign saw the Conservatives shift still further to the right and even openly flirt with extreme right-wing and fascistic forces.

(...)

A peek into the OPFOR playbook ...

 

[Lightguns]

Aaaaaaaaand from the predictably whiny Socialists with the International Committee of the Fourth International ...A peek into the OPFOR playbook ...

I wondered where all them copy writers from Pravda went to after the fall of the USSR.  Apparently they emigrated..............

 

[The Bread Guy]

I wondered where all them copy writers from Pravda went to after the fall of the USSR.  Apparently they emigrated..............

Not all of them, given Pravda's still around.  That said, these are the guys who've said the NDP isn't quite socialist enough for their liking.

 

[ballz]

I've been on Maple Resolve so I haven't had a chance to comment in this, here it goes...

Obviously I am very upset with the final results. I did not put anyone else but Max down on my ballot because no one represented my principles, and stuck to those principles, except for him.

I don't understand how anyone can preach free markets, vehemently hate socialism, but defend supply management... one of the most socialist policies we have in Canada which triples the price of staple foods like eggs, having a negative effect on everyone but especially on the poor.

I do think the article about the dairy lobby is correct. Yes, it was within the rules, but if the Liberal Party told 5000 strategically placed members to quit the party for 4 months and vote in the CPC election, it would also be within the rules but would 100% be infiltration.

What we have in the dairy industry is a bunch of socialists that infiltrated the election and effectively changed the vote amongst Conservatives to protect their cartel. Most will not vote CPC in the next election.

The fact that some people are happy about this simply because they didn't want a leader from Quebec, despite his clear principled stance on free markets, makes it hard to take anyone seriously.

In the end, the social conservative wing of the party may have limped across the finish line, but their grip and influence is weakening. We got a libertarian from Quebec to 49% in the CPC. Its a tough loss to swallow, but real tangible change in the direction of our country isn't achieved in one election.

 

[Cdn Blackshirt]

The more I read, the more I am baffled that the CPC allowed a special interest group to make protection of supply--side agricultural monopolies as the tipping point in the nomination.

That is just ridiculous .... :facepalm:

 

[Kirkhill]

The more I read, the more I am baffled that the CPC allowed a special interest group to make protection of supply--side agricultural monopolies as the tipping point in the nomination.

That is just ridiculous .... :facepalm:

In fairness,  I don't think they allowed it.  They just couldn't control it.

The ranked ballot with umpteen candidates simply meant the combinations and permutations were too great for any kind of feasible statistical analysis.  Nobody knew what the outcome was going to be.

The final result - a 50:50 split - is, from my standpoint, less than satisfactory.  It means that Andrew Scheer won the process. 

 

[YZT580]

At least in Ontario, the vast number of rural ridings vote conservative so a farm vote from there will be followed up with support for the party. From Ontario west to the BC border the same statement is true.  So there is no real one shot vote as implied.  Whether you support it or not it was a demonstration of democracy in action and the people's choice was selected.  Not a huge majority selection but never-the-less a majority selection. 

 

[Loachman]

And it has not divided the party.

 

[Kirkhill]

And it has not divided the party.

That's a plus.

 

[brihard]

Anyone else notice that Peter MacKay has had two big mentions published in the Post in the past week including one article of his own? One on free trade with Britain post-Brexit, and one on national securty / anti-terrorism

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/peter-mackay-canada-cannot-afford-to-turn-soft-on-terrorism-it-still-needs-c-51/wcm/aa8c635f-2c57-469c-ad43-b33e76cc4789

http://business.financialpost.com/legal-post/canada-should-pursue-free-trade-deal-with-u-k-peter-mackay-says/wcm/bb8991f6-bccf-4bca-b64d-4ba3d39eeed4

I know I'm hardly the first to predict this, but I doubt Scheer can take Trudeau in 2019, and I suspect we're seeing the first steps in a setup for a 2021 MacKay leadership run for leader of CPC as official opposition into election 2023. He got out of federal politics in time before the CPC came crashing down, he's generally liked and respected, and he's from the PC side and not a social conservative, which frankly the CPC really needs right now. I'll be keeping an eye open for any further MacKay mentions in the next year or two..

 

[Journeyman]

He got out of federal politics in time before the CPC came crashing down, he's generally liked and respected, and he's ....

He plays rugby.  Say no more.  :nod:

 

[Remius]

Anyone else notice that Peter MacKay has had two big mentions published in the Post in the past week including one article of his own? One on free trade with Britain post-Brexit, and one on national securty / anti-terrorism

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/peter-mackay-canada-cannot-afford-to-turn-soft-on-terrorism-it-still-needs-c-51/wcm/aa8c635f-2c57-469c-ad43-b33e76cc4789

http://business.financialpost.com/legal-post/canada-should-pursue-free-trade-deal-with-u-k-peter-mackay-says/wcm/bb8991f6-bccf-4bca-b64d-4ba3d39eeed4

I know I'm hardly the first to predict this, but I doubt Scheer can take Trudeau in 2019, and I suspect we're seeing the first steps in a setup for a 2021 MacKay leadership run for leader of CPC as official opposition into election 2023. He got out of federal politics in time before the CPC came crashing down, he's generally liked and respected, and he's from the PC side and not a social conservative, which frankly the CPC really needs right now. I'll be keeping an eye open for any further MacKay mentions in the next year or two..

this has long been a theory since he left.  But this is the right time for him to start laying the ground work with some policy positions.  It's just about the halfway mark so be surprised if he and a few others start to put themselves in the public eye. 

 

[Remius]

That's a plus.

That remains to be seen.

This is the challenge that Mr. Scheer will be facing:  http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/andrew-scheer-distances-himself-from-kellie-leitch-s-syrian-refugee-tweet-1.3473832

I suspect he will be distancing himself from several comments and tweets in the next little while before he reins the whole thing in.  Not just from Leitch, but others like Cheryl Gallant for example who might do more harm than good with their comments.

Don't get me wrong I think he has the ability to curtail and control this but the time it takes to do that will only give the Liberals fodder and ammo.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I think you under estimate JT ability to hang himself by his own socks, even the lapdog media is starting to comment on it, while trying to be hip and cool, he is coming across to many nonaligned voters as "unserious". 

 

[Remius]

I think you under estimate JT ability to hang himself by his own socks, even the lapdog media is starting to comment on it, while trying to be hip and cool, he is coming across to many nonaligned voters as "unserious".

Not at all.  But I doubt it will be enough this time around.  Scheer and the CPC want to change their image. Best they do that now than have someone else inherit a mess when the real contest begins after the next election.

 

[Jarnhamar]

That remains to be seen.

This is the challenge that Mr. Scheer will be facing:  http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/andrew-scheer-distances-himself-from-kellie-leitch-s-syrian-refugee-tweet-1.3473832

I suspect he will be distancing himself from several comments and tweets in the next little while before he reins the whole thing in.  Not just from Leitch, but others like Cheryl Gallant for example who might do more harm than good with their comments.

Cheryl Gallant's comments are little party grenades.

Besides those Syrian refugees are more economic migrants than refugees. Some of them had to sell property before being convinced to come to Canada.