The Navy To Borrow USS Gunston

[Ex-Dragoon]

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Dieppe might have ben a disaster but do you have a problem of honouring those soldiers who fought and died there? Even those that lost their battles deserve to be honoured....

Personally I am glad we never got the Sir Galalhad, speaking with my RN buddies the damn thing apparently spent the last few years alongside broken down then she actually sailed. Where is the benefit with another broken down ship???

It would also have the added feature of being an actual place in Canada.....Dieppe, New Brunswick.
there was a lot of valour on the beaches of Dieppe my friends. Lest we Forget!

 

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Just  a question, excuse my ignorance (fools ask questions to be made wise ;D), what does SCTF stand for?

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[rmacqueen]

It would also have the added feature of being an actual place in Canada.....Dieppe, New Brunswick.
there was a lot of valour on the beaches of Dieppe my friends. Lest we Forget!

and not necessarily a disaster as there were the "lessons learned" that were applied to Normandy.

 

[PigPen]

Is anyone else participating in this ex?

 

[Kirkhill]

and not necessarily a disaster as there were the "lessons learned" that were applied to Normandy.

In addition it served to mask the excursion of large numbers of vessels departing from British ports with troops bound for the North African landings.  In addition to its training value (amphib ops generally, canadian force in particular)  it also was intended to pick up radar intelligence, as well as acting as a diversionary raid.

 

[ringo]

Monty wanted Dieppe cancelled probably wanting the forces or shipping assigned to NA were they would have IMO been better employed.
Mountbatten insisted, I for one wish Monty had his way, no one will ever be able to tell me Dieppe wasn't a screw up from start to finish, the lessons learned argument wasn't worth the blood shed that day.

 

[Kirkhill]

... no one will ever be able to tell me Dieppe wasn't a screw up from start to finish, the lessons learned argument wasn't worth the blood shed that day.

Agreed. 

The Torch landings were planned at the same time as Dieppe and took place successfully days later with troops launched on the same day.

 

[Old Sweat]

Kirkhill,

Whoa. Dieppe was on 19 August, while the Torch landings took place in early November.

 

[tlg]

Does this mean that we are going to create a "Royal Marine" force or are we just going to train the battalions we have now for amphib ops?

 

[kratz]

For now this is a training exercise to see how well the concept works out for us. The results and lessons learned will guide decisions weather to create a Marine or adjust battalion training for Amphib ops.

 

[vonGarvin]

SCTF would not be a marine battalion.  It would be an infantry battle group on 10 days NTM.  It's mode of travel would be by ship.  It would not conduct a "Saving Private Ryan" type of beach assault (even though that opening scene still kills me: the MGs were deadly because they fired in enfilade from defiladed positions, not because they fired into the landing craft when they unloaded the troops...but I digress)

 

[Kirkhill]

Kirkhill,

Whoa. Dieppe was on 19 August, while the Torch landings took place in early November.

OOPs - Major OOPs.

Letting my memory run away with me.  I'll have to go back and see if I can find the reference but I clearly remember reading some book on Dieppe where it was stated that vessels bound for North Africa (perhaps it was just a resupply convoy for Montgomery) were scheduled out of port the same day as the Dieppe landings to cover their movements.  I seem to recall the book connected that movement with Torch but that may just be my fading memory.

Thanks for setting me straight on the timings Old Sweat.  :-[

 

[cobbler]

Does this mean that we are going to create a "Royal Marine" force or are we just going to train the battalions we have now for amphib ops?

You wouldn't need one, Australia doesn't and we have been conducting successful amphib operations for quite a while now.

 

[rmacqueen]

You wouldn't need one, Australia doesn't and we have been conducting successful amphib operations for quite a while now.

The CF is having enough problems filling the slots that they already have without the formation of a marine corps.  Just like back in the days of ACE the amphib capability would more than likely come from existing units that have specialized training but, as the Arctic ex this summer showed, different equipment is needed to make it functional.  Embarking infantry into zodiacs from a frigate just doesn't work.

 

[ringo]

It's called dissimilar replacement IE repace the Tribal's with a couple LPD's manpower problem solved, upgrades to Halifax's ESSM system will mitigate Tribal's withdrawal they are old and tiered although some of there systems could be retrofitted into new construction.
LSD's of the Harper's Ferry and Whidbey Island were built for between $157-167million US apiece, Canada could enquire about availability and cost of these relatively modern units.
IMO Sir Galahad could be bought from UK on the cheap for interim sealift, cost probably less than $10 million.

 

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(ringo, if you read some of the above posts, there's a reason the Sir Galahad is up for the big heave ho)

 

[SoF]

I'm trying to get a GD contract for this exercise so hopefully I'll be on the Gunston soon

 

[Sub_Guy]

I missed out on an oppourtunity to volunteer for this exercise, it looks like it is going to be interesting, but again I will say this..... It will be a total failure, the Gunston Hall won't have a chance to land its troops with the Windsor patrolling the area!!  Not a chance in hell, that is unless they have some submariner singing in the underwater telephone again, so the skimmers have something to listen too....  :skull:

 

[Cloud Cover]

I missed out on an oppourtunity to volunteer for this exercise, it looks like it is going to be interesting, but again I will say this..... It will be a total failure, the Gunston Hall won't have a chance to land its troops with the Windsor patrolling the area!!   Not a chance in hell, that is unless they have some submariner singing in the underwater telephone again, so the skimmers have something to listen too....   :skull:

Too funny Sub_Guy.

All they have to do is put some beer and fresh p0rn in a watertight container and throw it over the side, the Windsor will surface like a cork in a bathtub and then sh'e game over for the sewer tube.