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The Khadr Thread

Danjanou said:
And I would bet you guess wrong skippy.  8)

Shadowhawk is right these lovely people get the money to travel back and forth to the homeland for "visits" from the Canadian Taxpayer usually in misappropriated welfare payments and other aspects of the social safety net (GST rebates, NCBS etc) that they despise. Of course any attempt to point out this serious violation of Canadian Law (Section 380(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada, Section 19 of The Family Benefits Act, Section 79 of the Ontario Works Act, Section 59 of the Ontario Disabilities Support Program Act) would brand the person or persons who did so as inhumane, politically incorrect and perhaps racist, and maybe in violation of the Khadrs rights as enshrined in the Charter. ::)

I remember there was a similar case where Mohamed Farah Adid (of Blackhawk Down fame) supposedly had some of his family in Canada, on welfare allegedly involved in a similar welfare scam. My search stringology is weak tonight, I can't seem to find details.
 
One of his wives and their kids were living in the London, Ont area....not sure what happened to them....probably still on welfare. ::)
 
Another wife, and kid or kiddies was in Rexdale (NW Toronto) which has a fairly large Somali community and on assistance too, can't recall if she/they were scamming though.

On the other hand didn't one of his sons join the USMC and serve honourably.
 
ya, if I remember right, some Somalies were using multiple identities and sending all the cash back to Shyteland.

Now thats what I call taking advantage of Canada and Canadians at large! Its quite disgusting, isn't it!

As for Adid's family, I think adventually they did leave (if I remember correctly, but I might be wrong), but knowing the federal government, they probably begged them to return.

Cold beers,

Wes
 
Not just Somalis Wes. We busted a bunch of Tamil refugees being extorted by the Tigers to file false second refugee claims then collect welfare under these names and hand the cheques over. Can’t really blame them, they were the ones being extorted by the same scum that they came to Canada to get away from.
 
Danjanou said:
Not just Somalis Wes. We busted a bunch of Tamil refugees being extorted by the Tigers to file false second refugee claims then collect welfare under these names and hand the cheques over. Can’t really blame them, they were the ones being extorted by the same scum that they came to Canada to get away from.

Its a pretty sad state of affairs when you accept people because of their situation in their own country and they do this for their apprecation.

Cheeers,

Wes
 
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1150149010011&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

Khadrs show up for suspects
Jun. 13, 2006. 06:59 AM
MICHELLE SHEPHARD AND HAROLD LEVY
STAFF REPORTERS

The alleged members of a Toronto-based terrorist group are receiving support from other Canadians who say their names have been smeared by terrorism allegations, including members of the Khadr family and the uncle of a detained Syrian.

Sitting in the front row at a court appearance for the accused yesterday was 17-year-old Karim Khadr, who was paralyzed when he was shot during a 2003 battle with Pakistani forces that killed his father, reputed Al Qaeda financier Ahmed Said Khadr.

Also watching was Khadr's mother, Maha Elsamnah, who has been living in Toronto since she returned from Pakistan with Karim two years ago. The Khadr family knows at least one of the suspects, Fahim Ahmad, who is accused of being one of the alleged leaders of what police call a homegrown terrorism cell plotting to attack southern Ontario targets.

The 12 adults and five youths under the age of 18 were arrested June 2 in raids across the city.

Lawyers for the men complained yesterday that the accused were enduring "cruel and unusual punishment" while detained. The allegations came as Justice of the Peace Keith Currie imposed a blanket publication ban on the legal proceedings.

No Khadr family members have been convicted of terrorism offences but two are now in custody: Abdullah, 25, in Toronto, fighting deportation to the U.S., where he has been indicted on terrorism charges, and 19-year-old Omar, who is Canada's only detainee in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Omar Khadr is being held on murder and attempted murder charges stemming from a 2002 battle in Afghanistan in which a U.S. soldier was killed.

A few rows back in the packed courtroom sat Ahmed Shehab, who had his Toronto photocopy shop raided by the RCMP a week after the 9/11 attacks, and his nephew Nabil Al Marabh, detained on terrorism allegations in the U.S.

The terrorism accusations against Al Marabh were later dropped, and he was deported on an immigration violation to Syria, where his uncle says he's now detained.

Shehab said yesterday he recognized some of the accused, but came to court to show his support and send the message that the suspects are innocent until the court rules.

The 17 accused were brought before the justice of the peace yesterday to set dates for their upcoming bail hearings. The five youths, who cannot be identified due to Canadian laws protecting suspects under 18, appeared first, shackled and handcuffed together.

The accused adults were brought into the court in groups of three and four. Some, like 21-year-old Asad Ansari, kept their heads bowed and looked only at the floor.

Others such as Ahmad looked constantly over their shoulders, smiling at friends and family members who filled one side of the courtroom.

A majority of defence lawyers opposed the ban, arguing the case had already been tried in public and their clients wanted the government to have to defend its claims in open court.

Lawyer David Kolinsky, who represents Zakaria Amara, another alleged leader of the group and the 21-year-old who sources say will be accused of allegedly arranging the purchase of ammonium nitrate to manufacture a bomb, told reporters outside the courthouse that a guard attacked his client at the maximum security facility in Milton, where he is being held.

"(He) was pinned down on the ground. He had the guard's finger drilled into his cheek and the guard also flicked him quite hard in the eye," Kolinsky said.

When claims of mistreatment and threats by guards at Maplehurst Detention Centre were discussed in court, accused Yasin Abdi Mohamed raised his handcuffed arms in the air and shouted "torture."

Mohamed and 22-year-old Ali Dirie pleaded guilty last October to weapons offences after their rented car was pulled over two months earlier at Fort Erie's Peace Bridge and they were found smuggling weapons and ammunition into Canada from the U.S. They had been serving two-year sentences in Kingston but are now charged with allegedly acquiring those weapons for terrorist activities.

Other lawyers yesterday complained of the conditions their clients are facing in segregation, including claims that the lights in their cells are left on 24 hours a day, they're forced to keep their eyes on the floor and are being woken up every 30 minutes.

Lawyers said that amounted to "cruel and unusual punishment," and breached their clients' Charter rights.

Lawyer Rocco Galati, who represents 21-year-old Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, added that when suspects are escorted "they must walk at a 90-degree angle with their legs upright and their torso across at a 90-degree angle with handcuffs stretched out."

"And they are being escorted by three armed tactical members of the security forces," he said.

Galati also accused the authorities of unfairly leaking selected information to the media "to ensure the denial of a fair bail hearing and the denial of a fair trial."

"After (the Crown has) had 10 days with the media, feeding the media whatever they want to feed the media, denying us disclosure of any evidence and doing what they need to do to conduct the trial in this parking lot of the courthouse, they now have the audacity to request a blanket publication ban of all proceedings," Galati told reporters outside of court.



The alleged members of a Toronto-based terrorist group are receiving support from other Canadians who say their names have been smeared by terrorism allegations, including members of the Khadr family and the uncle of a detained Syrian.

You mean "other Canadians who are terrorists too!"


When claims of mistreatment and threats by guards at Maplehurst Detention Centre were discussed in court, accused Yasin Abdi Mohamed raised his handcuffed arms in the air and shouted "torture."

:rofl:        ya....laughing this hard is torture...I can't stop....too funny



They all know how to play the PR game so well....must be a chapter on it in the Al -qaeda training manual.

 
Isn't that like the leader of the Hell's Angels sitting on a trial for one of his Leiutenants (sp).
 
Hateful chatter behind the veil
Key suspects' wives held radical views, Web postings reveal
OMAR EL AKKAD AND GREG MCARTHUR
POSTED AT 3:34 AM EDT ON 29/06/06
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060629.wxblog29/BNStory/National/?cid=al_gam_nletter_newsUp

Wives of four of the central figures arrested last month were among the most active on the website, sharing, among other things, their passion for holy war, disgust at virtually every aspect of non-Muslim society and a hatred of Canada.

Personally, I think we should help these people realize their objectives....bye bye !!!
 
This is just too much. Something must be done. I'm so pissed right now  >:(

I will have to think about what I want to say about this before I rant about this one.  :rage:



 
Shadowhawk said:
This is just too much. Something must be done. I'm so pissed right now  >:(

I will have to think about what I want to say about this before I rant about this one.  :rage:

Wait 'till you see the news later tonight on the Canadian Government's proposal to bring 19-year-old Omar Khadr to Canada from Guantanamo Bay.
 
UPDATE

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=f3b16de6-f361-491e-8d39-62e8830a0719&k=66282

 
Bring Khadr to Canada: Lawyer
U.S. Supreme Court quashes Guantanamo military tribunals
 
Sheldon Alberts
The Ottawa Citizen


Friday, June 30, 2006

WASHINGTON - The lawyer for a Canadian teen held at Guantanamo Bay by the U.S. military is urging the Canadian government to have him extradited home to be tried now that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled American military tribunals are illegal.

Omar Khadr, 19, has been detained at Guantanamo since his arrest in October 2002 for allegedly killing a U.S. soldier and wounding another during a firefight in Afghanistan.

Now that a military tribunal will not be allowed to decide his fate, lawyers for Mr. Khadr are hoping that he will finally be sent home.

"It leaves the U.S. government in a bit of a bind as to what to do with him," Dennis Edney, one of Mr. Khadr's Canadian lawyers, said in an interview from Edmonton. "It turns everything on its head."

The United States Supreme Court yesterday struck down the system of war crimes tribunals established by President George W. Bush to try "enemy combatants," ruling the military commissions violated U.S. law and the Geneva Conventions.

In a 5-3 decision, the high court found Mr. Bush had overstepped his authority as president by creating the commissions and said he failed to provide detainees with basic legal protections.

The decision throws the U.S. government's case against Mr. Khadr into legal limbo.

"The government of Canada really ought to be demanding him back," said Muneer Ahmad, a civilian attorney who has represented Mr. Khadr at two pre-trial hearings this year at Guantanamo.

"The United States' own Supreme Court has thrown the whole thing out. ... It is time for Canada to say enough is enough, we can't permit our citizen to languish in this system any longer."

Because Mr. Khadr was charged under a military tribunal system now deemed invalid, "I don't think the charges will survive," Mr. Ahmad said.

The Supreme Court decision dealt specifically with conspiracy charges against Salim Hamdan, a 36-year-old Guantanamo detainee who had served as a driver to Osama bin Laden.

In a 73-page opinion written by Justice John Paul Stevens, the court agreed with the argument that the tribunals were not authorized by any act of Congress or common law in the U.S.

The high court also found the tribunals violated U.S. law because they allowed for the inclusion of evidence obtained under coercion and because defendants were not allowed to see or hear certain evidence against them.

The military commissions failed to meet "the barest" rights accorded under the U.S. Uniform Code of Military Justice, including the right for a defendant to be present at a hearing against him.

"The rules specified for Hamdan's trial are illegal," wrote Judge Stevens, 86, widely considered the court's most liberal justice.

The high court's decision does not require Mr. Bush to close Guantanamo, nor does it forbid the U.S. from holding indefinitely those prisoners classified as enemy combatants.

Of the 450 detainees still held at Guantanamo, only 10 had been charged with offences under the tribunal system.

Reacting to the decision, Mr. Bush raised the possibility of opening negotiations with Congress on a system of military tribunals that would conform to the Supreme Court's ruling.

"The American people need to know that this ruling, as I understand it, won't cause killers to be put out on the street. ... I'm not going to jeopardize the safety of the American people."

The Supreme Court ruling comes two weeks after three detainees at Guantanamo committed suicide, the first deaths at the prison since it opened in late 2001. Dozens of detainees have also staged periodic hunger strikes to protest their detentions, tactics the base commander at Guantanamo said were part of the terrorists' "jihad" against the United States.

"I want to find a way forward," said Mr. Bush, who recently said his preference would be to close Guantanamo altogether.

"I would like for there to be a way to return people from Guantanamo to their home countries, but some people need to be tried in our courts."

© The Ottawa Citizen 2006

Copyright © 2006 CanWest Interactive, a division of CanWest MediaWorks Publications, Inc.. All rights reserved.


 
Simple fix:

We cannot release these detainees until the GWOT has been decided, because they will only rejoin the fight against us. As such, we will only detain these individuals until the terrorist attacks against western civilisation stop.

German and Italian troops and officers were detained in Canada and the US during WWII and released after the cessation of hostilities, I fail to see why this precedent cannot be followed.
 
Yaknow, they used to call 5th to 12th century the "Dark Ages".  They did have this wonderful little tradition called "exile" or "banishment" in some circles..... Last call arseholes, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here...
 
Far northern Quebec, Ontario, etc...I'm sure the Inuit won't mind them scrambling about in their territory...we'll even give them a bow & arrows and some snare wire. Should do just fine.  >:D
 
I'd rather see them under a condition that if they came within a decent bowshot of Canadian soil, it's jail for life, no trial, no appeals, but that's just me.
 
and just about anybody else....except Jack & buddies 
 
these people come to our land, eat our bread, and spit on our soil. the conclusion to sentence the Al-Qaida family would be depribe them of all canadian privileges and send them back from were they came from. :)
 
The only problem with Snowy's solution is what to do with the ones born and raised here in Canada? Not just the Khadr children, but people like the 17 recently arrested for plotting to use three tons of Ammonium Nitrate to level CBC HQ, the Parliament buildings etc.

Sad to say, but there will probably have to be a "Gitmo North" facility created one of these days to house Canadian violent offenders who are willing to deprive all Canadians of their rights and freedoms, and who will probably remain dangerous offenders for the remainder of their natural lives.
 
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