The Great Gun Control Debate

[Loachman]

without proper training a lot of people can become overwhelmed with the "happy switch" and higher chances of wrong doing will be the probable outcome.

History indicates that the odds are negligible.

We trust people with cars, which are far more complex to operate safely, and result in far more deaths and injuries. People will happily stand by the side of the road while complete strangers, who could be distracted, half-blind, drunk, incompetent, suicidal, or driving vehicles that have seen no maintenance since they left the factory, and not think one whit about the potential hazard yet completely freak at the sight of a firearm or the thought that their neighbour might own one.

It costs less than ten dollars per year for five million dollars worth of liability insurance for all legal firearms-related activities, yet insurance companies (professional risk-assessors) still make healthy profits. How much coverage can one get for one's car for ten bucks...?

 

[a_majoor]

Instapundit 17 Feb 2012:

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/

DON’T BE RIDICULOUS — IT’S ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE TO CELEBRATE A HUMAN-RIGHTS VICTORY OF THIS MAGNITUDE: Quebec outrage as Tories celebrate long-gun registry vote with cocktail party. “The bill passed easily, by a margin of 159 to 130, as the Conservatives used their majority in the House secure passage of the bill, which now goes to the Senate where the Conservatives also have a majority.. . . But supporters of the long-gun registry, many of whom are from Quebec, said they were appalled by the festive attitude of the Conservatives, who attended a cocktail reception with pro-gun lobbyists on Parliament Hill to mark the historic change.”

Usually politicians celebrate reducing people’s freedom. This is a pleasant change.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The only full auto's I want are in .22cal  :nod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBbjt3OZydg

or this in full auto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1yr81u8FXw

 

[Brad Sallows]

>This would be quite nice as well, but no one other than the CF or those working with the CF need a full auto setting.

No one "needs" to go bareback down at the bathhouse, either, but for some reason that particular recreation is "out of bounds" to legislators and people concerned with public health.

 

[HollywoodCowboy]

History indicates that the odds are negligible.

We trust people with cars, which are far more complex to operate safely, and result in far more deaths and injuries. People will happily stand by the side of the road while complete strangers, who could be distracted, half-blind, drunk, incompetent, suicidal, or driving vehicles that have seen no maintenance since they left the factory, and not think one whit about the potential hazard yet completely freak at the sight of a firearm or the thought that their neighbour might own one.

It costs less than ten dollars per year for five million dollars worth of liability insurance for all legal firearms-related activities, yet insurance companies (professional risk-assessors) still make healthy profits. How much coverage can one get for one's car for ten bucks...?

Don't forget alcohol, how many lives has that liquid destroyed, as long as the government gets it's money from it, who cares.

 

[OOTBthinker]

I came across this today and thought it was somewhat interesting concerning the topic at hand:

http://votecompass.ca/results/federal/gun-registry/

It seems that those who agree that the long gun registry should be scrapped are old, uneducated, non-immigrant English men who support the Conservative Party.

It seems everyone else who took part in the Vote Compass is against the idea.

It's also evident that this issue is very a rural versus urban issue.

 

[Scott]

I came across this today and thought it was somewhat interesting concerning the topic at hand:

http://votecompass.ca/results/federal/gun-registry/

It seems that those who agree that the long gun registry should be scrapped are old, uneducated, non-immigrant English men who support the Conservative Party.

It seems everyone else who took part in the Vote Compass is against the idea.

It's also evident that this issue is very a rural versus urban issue.

:facepalm:

Is this the same vote compass that everyone at the CBC was so proud of?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I came across this today and thought it was somewhat interesting concerning the topic at hand:

http://votecompass.ca/results/federal/gun-registry/

It seems that those who agree that the long gun registry should be scrapped are old, uneducated, non-immigrant English men who support the Conservative Party.

It seems everyone else who took part in the Vote Compass is against the idea.

It's also evident that this issue is very a rural versus urban issue.

The rural vs urban is really a myth. First of all you have to define Urban and urban is not defined here as what most people assume it is. Plus the growth areas in gun ownership is distinct in being urban and it's the urbanites who are more likely to buy "black guns" and cool stuff. In fact here in Vancouver it's nothing for a rich immigrant to drop $5,000 on their first gun and gear. Which is way all the stores have Mandarin speaking staff and business is humming. The "old white guy" image is also a myth, those guys are dying off and most of the shooters I see are younger, mixed gender and more ethnic.

 

[dale622]

I'm guessing most of these young, "educated", city folk are the same that shouted "ride the orange wave!" on election day. Which was completely against what every economist said was good for the country at the time. I'm guessing they are the same type in the "Occupy" movement that can't create a common standing or a solution to their own problem. I'm sorry that the gov't doesn't hand every snot nosed kid a full tuition and that the job market has competition. I thought it was just a fact of life that you had to work hard to get ahead. I guess the youth of today think otherwise.

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/media/nr/2007/nr20071116-2-eng.aspx

Maybe if they did a little research instead of constant complaining these kids could see that it was a total waste.

 

[larry Strong]

Shared with the usual cavets:

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/02/20120224-095016.html

Dad arrested over daughter's gun drawing

Police arrested a Kitchener, Ont., father outside his daughter's school because the four-year-old drew a picture of him holding a gun.

Jessie Sansone told the Record newspaper that he was in shock when he was arrested Wednesday and taken to a police station for questioning over the drawing. He was also strip-searched.

"This is completely insane. My daughter drew a gun on a piece of paper at school," he said.

Officials told the newspaper the move was necessary to ensure there were no guns accessible by children in the family's home. They also said comments by Sansone's daughter, Neaveh, that the man holding the gun in the picture was her dad and "he uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters," was concerning.

Police also searched Sansone's home while he was in custody. His wife and three children were taken to the police station, and the children were interviewed by Family and Children's Services.

Sansone's wife, Stephanie Squires, told the newspaper no one told them why her husband had been arrested.

"He had absolutely no idea what this was even about. I just kept telling them, 'You're making a mistake.'"
Several hours later, Sansone was released without charges.

 

[vonGarvin]

Then why weren't my parents tossed in jail for me drawing pictures of buildings on fire?  (I was one  of the fire fighters coming to the rescue in the corner of the drawings).  (and yes, I did the drawings just last week ;D)

Why am I not in jail because my kids draw pictures of tanks and jets and stuff?

This, is absolutely ridiculous....

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

I'm thinking there is a LOT more to this story,.............just sayin'........

 

[ballz]

I'm thinking there is a LOT more to this story,.............just sayin'........

If there was more to it, then why didn't they find anything when they turned his house upside down and had Family and Children Services "interviewing" his children?

 

[ModlrMike]

Very 1984ish if you ask me.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Well now,.......yup, because people who would break into your house and/or assault you are such fine outstanding citizens.
The anti-law enforcement bias on this site rears it's ugly head once again.  But hey, lets just go to the thread about the latest of a long line of military folks who have now been charged with kiddie porn and bend over backwards to say "well lets wait until the facts come out."

http://www.guelphmercury.com/news/ontario/article/676210--schoolgirl-s-father-shocked-by-arrest-on-gun-charge

Sansone says he got into some trouble with the law five years ago, and was convicted of assault and attempted burglary. But he’s put that all behind him. He never had any firearms-related charges.

As for the strip search, Thaler said it was done “for officer safety, because it’s a firearms-related incident.

“At the point in the investigation when it was determined it was not a real firearm, the individual was released unconditionally,’’ he said.

 

[BernDawg]

REALLY!?!?! Why didn't they use the "ALL MIGHTY" gun registry to find out if there was a gun in the home in the first place or, how bout try this, CALL the CFC to check on his PAL status? Oh! that's right the cops know the registry is F'n useless (not they'll admit it openly) so they just go ahead and haul him in based on a kids imagination.....

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

“Our community would have an expectation if comments are made about a gun in a house, we’d be obligated to investigate that to ensure everything is safe.’’

Really? Every home I've ever lived in, and most of the ones I've visited, have guns in them.. Just because a child says "my dad has a gun" is NOT cause to take the kids and search the dwelling. Hell my kids say it all the time! My teenage daughters have lively debates about the safest place in the event of a Zombie apocolypse with their friends and our place has been chosen as the "most likely to survive"
I guess I'll head home now and wait for the cops cause they're sure to show up.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Maybe they might if you have a firearms ban,......doorknob.

 

[ballz]

Before I knew about his criminal past I was going to say:

Chances are the gun registry is what got them the warrant to search his house.

Given that the charge was "possession of a firearm" and they did not find one. I am going to bet their "reasonable grounds" to get the warrant was that the child said her dad had a gun at home... then when they searched the wonderful gun registry, it showed that he did not have one registered, giving them the grounds to get a warrant.

Now I'm going to say:

The fact that he has committed those crimes in the past probably means he has a ban on possessing a firearm.

In either of the above cases, I don't believe having a 4 yr old draw a picture of her dad holding a gun is any reason to call the police, and I don't think it's any reason for the police to lay a charge and get a warrant like they did. Although it's understandable, in the latter case, that some further investigation be necessary.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Just the drawing?

The detective told him that his four-year-old daughter had drawn a picture of a man holding a gun. When a teacher asked her who the man was, the girl replied, “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”

 

[BernDawg]

Context Bruce, context. It's not like she was in her teachers arms crying about her dad having a gun. She drew a picture of her father protecting her from the "bad guys" How many kids have done that?

I respect the cops and realize that they do have a very difficult job to do but somone in the chain of authority here crapped the bed, IMHO.