The Defence Budget [superthread]

[MarkOttawa]

From budget--new fighters and CSCs way down the road:

...To ensure that funding is available when key capital acquisitions will be made, the Government will reallocate funding of $3.716 billion for large-scale capital projects from the 2015–16 to 2020–21 period to future years. This funding is being shifted into future years to align with the timing of major equipment acquisitions...
http://www.budget.gc.ca/2016/docs/themes/world-monde-en.html

More at p. 203 PDF:
http://www.budget.gc.ca/2016/docs/plan/budget2016-en.pdf

CP story:

DND equipment purchases postponed again

The promised re-equipping of the Canadian military has essentially been postponed until after the next election in a maiden federal Liberal budget that shifts billions of dollars in capital spending to 2020 — or later.

The Trudeau government's new fiscal plan shoves $3.7 billion in planned defence purchases — ships, planes and vehicles — off into the future, but Finance Minister Bill Morneau insists the move does not represent a cut to military funding.

Morneau said the Liberals need a year to figure out Canada's defence priorities.

"In order to make sure we have the funds available at the time when they need those funds, we've reprofiled some in the fiscal framework," he told a news conference prior to tabling the budget in the House of Commons.

"So, when we need the money, the money will be in the fiscal framework. So, we believe that is the appropriate action to take to ensure our military has the appropriate equipment, the planes and the ships they need."..
http://www.northumberlandnews.com/news-story/6401738-dnd-equipment-purchases-postponed-again/

So F-35 after all as only Gripen and Rafale (even those?) likely to be in production mid 2020s?

Earlier, note the shift well right for CSCs and TBDs for new fighter:

Canadian Forces’ Major Acquisitions: Big Slippages for CSCs, Fighters, Drones
https://cgai3ds.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/mark-collins-canadian-forces-major-acquisitions-big-slippages-for-cscs-fighters-drones/

Mark
Ottawa

 

[Edward Campbell]

My quick glance at p. 204 shows:
                                                        2015/16  2016/17  2017/18    Total
Subtotal ~ Defending Canada        -205          -90          -1,319      -1,614

 

[Kirkhill]

 

[Good2Golf]

My quick glance at p. 204 shows:
                                                        2015/16  2016/17  2017/18    Total
Subtotal ~ Defending Canada        -205          -90          -1,319      -1,614

At first glance, at Chart 6.2 on page 203 of the Budget document ( http://www.budget.gc.ca/2016/docs/plan/budget2016-en.pdf ), the 'cut' area under the curve appears similar to the 're-profiled' amount over the curve appears 'similar'.  Chart 6.2 doesn't indicate whether the figures are Budget Year or Current Year...hopefully Current Year, but one never knows.

'On verra'

Regards
G2G

 

[jmt18325]

DND returned $2B to the government last year.  The ships and jets are going to be later than they were supposed to be.  We all knew that was the case.  The Conservatives moved money two years ago for the same reason.  We know there won't be CSC until at least 2020.  We know the CF-18 purchase was delayed, and that they won't arrive before 2022.  We know all of these things.  The budget just made that a reality.

 

[ModlrMike]

Decade of darkness come again?

 

[dapaterson]

Decade of darkness come again?

More of the same that we've seen for the past several years.  If that qualifies as a decade of darkness...

 

[jmt18325]

DND wasn't spending the money now.  The CPC did the same thing two years ago for the same reason.  Nothing has changed.

 

[McG]

Decade of darkness come again?

There is no cut to the operating budget.  Except for the big purchases, we are still on the same path set by the previous government.

 

[PuckChaser]

DND wasn't spending the money now.  The CPC did the same thing two years ago for the same reason.  Nothing has changed.

And the Tories were vilified for it as a cut to DND spending. Why do you think Trudeau deserves better?

 

[jmt18325]

And the Tories were vilified for it as a cut to DND spending. Why do you think Trudeau deserves better?

Hey, I defended that move then, just as I defend it now.  Harper was a good Prime Minister.  Trudeau is as well (so far) but for completely different reasons.

 

[George Wallace]

There is no cut to the operating budget.  Except for the big purchases, we are still on the same path set by the previous government.

First the big purchases, then the infrastructure, then recruiting, and then pay freezes for all government Departments. 

 

[McG]

First the big purchases, then the infrastructure, then recruiting, and then pay freezes for all government Departments. 

You can see the future?

 

[jmt18325]

You can see the future?

There are a lot of people here with that ability.

 

[George Wallace]

Nope.  Not all the time.  But if the writing is on the wall, or something experience shows that it looks like it is going to have potential of happening, then maybe.  [

 

[jmt18325]

Nope.  Not all the time.  But if the writing is on the wall, or something experience shows that it looks like it is going to have potential of happening, then maybe.  [

Did you say that after the Conservatives did the same thing two years ago?

 

[PuckChaser]

Did you say that after the Conservatives did the same thing two years ago?

Chretien was real good at differing capital acquisitions. So good in fact, that 20 years later we're just getting the maritime helicopters he differed.

 

[OldSolduer]

Chretien was real good at differing capital acquisitions. So good in fact, that 20 years later we're just getting the maritime helicopters he differed.

I believe he coined the term "Cadillac elicoptiers"

 

[MarkOttawa]

jmt18325: CSCs not until late 2020s:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-reports-pubs-report-plan-priorities/2016-status-report-on-transformational-and-major-crown-projects.page#P6

New fighter TBD for all milestones:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-reports-pubs-report-plan-priorities/2016-status-report-on-transformational-and-major-crown-projects.page#P10

Mark
Ottawa

 

[jmt18325]

jmt18325: CSCs not until late 2020s:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-reports-pubs-report-plan-priorities/2016-status-report-on-transformational-and-major-crown-projects.page#P6

But we'll need the money around 2021 - 2023, so that the first ship can start construction as the AOPS finishes construction.  A lot of this has to wait a year for the defence review.

New fighter TBD for all milestones:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-reports-pubs-report-plan-priorities/2016-status-report-on-transformational-and-major-crown-projects.page#P10

The fighter project and what it looks like is 100% contingent on the defence review.