The brown Temperate Combat Boot (AKA: Mk IV Cbt Boot) - No longer CADPAT

[Kokanee]

Indeed - three years ago it was literally a case of make an appt with an MO and be told "oh, foot parade issues boot chits"... wait two weeks, go to foot parade and see a big sign on the wall "NO BOOT CHITS, MAKE AN APPT WITH YOUR MO".

Thankfully I had a great MO who was willing to "bend the rules" at the time so to speak... Not that it would have killed me, but after a knee surgery certain shoes/boots aggravate it while others don't, so I go with what feels good now that I have that chit.

Unfortunately I know newer fellows who have legit complaints about footwear who are left high and dry, our Unit policy is "if it's black it's ok", but that won't last too much longer.

 

[PuckChaser]

Echoing the post above but, this is false.  It is a supply responsibility to get you boots that fit.  If the standard sizes do not fit, it is still a supply problem.  Kingston should know better.

Thats what I thought too, but knowing Kingston policy is just whatever people want to say it is. I'll jump through their hoop and try foot parade. If they tell me supply is out to lunch then I'll just throw it up the chain of command. The civilian at the counter was very friendly when he outlined the policy, and maybe misunderstood that I just want proper fitting footwear, not to fit any special orthotics.

 

[LineJumper]

Those look like Danners. Maybe they'll steel toe and shank some for the climbing and safety types.

 

[aesop081]

Maybe they'll steel toe and shank some for the climbing and safety types.

I expect them to. The RCAF currently issues steel-toed boots to everyone and is going to brown boots as well. Leads me to believe there will indeed be steel-toed brown boots available in the system.

 

[Good2Golf]

CA, I know ours are CSA Grade 1, but my toe cap appears to be non-magnetic.  Not sure whether this is because kevlar/composite or aluminum was determined to be  cheaper than steel, or steel was deliberately not used so as not to interfere with compasses or other magnetically-sensitive equipment in the aircraft.  I wonder if the new brown boot's fabric upper will be FR?

Regards
G2G

 

[CombatDoc]

Really?  So then how does one go about getting "special" footwear?

It's like when you were a kid asking your parents about something:

"Go ask your mother..."  "Go ask your father..."

I'm just glad I've held on to my old combat boots (and bought my own desert boots).  Should not require any new footwear before I retire.  And I paid for my Vibram soles myself, instead of going through the medical system.  It would have taken too much time to get a referral, see the foot specialist, etc, etc.

C/mon Moe, you should know better as a former Med Tech.  If a member has normal feet but can't find boots to fit, then it is a supply problem.  If a member has abnormal feet due to a medical condition, then it is up to medical to provide the appropriate chit or custom footwear.  However, in my experience the problem is usually due to the former e.g. female troops (and some small statured males) that can't find size 5 combat boots, male troops (and some female troops) that need size 15, folks that can wear Danners but not the Mk III combat boot, etc. 

I can assure you that the evil medical school curriculum did not include Combat Boot Sizing 101, as that is supposed to be the Supply Tech's purview. 

 

[aesop081]

CA, I know ours are CSA Grade 1, but my toe cap appears to be non-magnetic.  Not sure whether this is because kevlar/composite or aluminum was determined to be  cheaper than steel, or steel was deliberately not used so as not to interfere with compasses or other magnetically-sensitive equipment in the aircraft.

I had not noticed as i do not wear the boots. I was told that they were not actual steel but i have never checked. I find them very uncomfortable so i stayed with my Bates.

I wonder if the new brown boot's fabric upper will be FR?

Good question. Think anyone has thought that far ?

 

[dimsum]

Good question. Think anyone has thought that far ?

Oh come on.  >

 

[PMedMoe]

C/mon Moe, you should know better as a former Med Tech.  If a member has normal feet but can't find boots to fit, then it is a supply problem.  If a member has abnormal feet due to a medical condition, then it is up to medical to provide the appropriate chit or custom footwear.  However, in my experience the problem is usually due to the former e.g. female troops (and some small statured males) that can't find size 5 combat boots, male troops (and some female troops) that need size 15, folks that can wear Danners but not the Mk III combat boot, etc. 

I can assure you that the evil medical school curriculum did not include Combat Boot Sizing 101, as that is supposed to be the Supply Tech's purview. 

I know that.  Tell it to Supply in Kingston... 

No skin off my nose (or feet), I'm set for the next little while.  No new boots for me.  :nod:

 

[dimsum]

I expect them to. The RCAF currently issues steel-toed boots to everyone and is going to brown boots as well. Leads me to believe there will indeed be steel-toed brown boots available in the system.

So I can finally buy the sweet USN brown Belleville boots and have them shipped to the USN Exchange guy's APO box for half the price of buying in Australia? 

 

[aesop081]

So I can finally buy the sweet USN brown Belleville boots and have them shipped to the USN Exchange guy's APO box for half the price of buying in Australia? 

I don't tell you what to do. I won't tell you what i may or may not have already done.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Some info on the RCAF footwear via the CEMS (Clothing and Equipment Millenium Standard) project, including info/pics of the RCAF DCB (Desert Combat Boot) in Flight Comment, Issue 3 2008.  Pages 27-29. 

WRT 'composite materials' not offering the CSA safety standard required (page 27), I question that.  My Magnum's "special size" issued ones are full leather, CSA Gr 1 composite toe/shank.

 

[aesop081]

Some info on the RCAF footwear via the CEMS (Clothing and Equipment Millenium Standard) project, including info/pics of the RCAF DCB (Desert Combat Boot) in Flight Comment, Issue 3 2008.  Pages 27-29. 

The brown boot talked about here, for the RCAF, is not the DCB.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I know.   

 

[aesop081]

I know. 

Yes, but others reading may not.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Yes, but others reading may not.

Roger.

Article speaks to RCAF footwear requirements such as FR and shock resistance.  If the Brown TCB is going to be 'adapted' for use in the RCAF, I'd like to think that the folks at D Air Prog will be asked about RCAF 'adaptation' of the Army brown TCB to RCAF requirements. 

 

[Matt_Fisher]

So I can finally buy the sweet USN brown Belleville boots and have them shipped to the USN Exchange guy's APO box for half the price of buying in Australia? 

The Belleville USN flight boot is CONSIDERABLY a darker shade of brown than the new CF boot in the 'DND Maxi Brown' shade.  If you're looking for aftermarket boots to match the shade of the new CF boots you're probably better of looking at various Coyote Brown/Mojave Olive coloured ones as they more closely match the 'Maxi Brown'.

It probably won't be long before Original SWAT comes out with a Canadian specific version of the Classic 9" in a Maxi Brown shade.

 

[armyvern]

I know that.  Tell it to Supply in Kingston... 

No skin off my nose (or feet), I'm set for the next little while.  No new boots for me.  :nod:

After making an inquiry today, it seems that LSS is complying with CANFORGEN of a while ago regarding procurement; they are not going to LPO as the first COA for sizing issues; rather, they are taking molds of the feet for obtaining custom-fitted footwear from the federal contractor instead as the first COA.

 

[PMedMoe]

After making an inquiry today, it seems that LSS is complying with CANFORGEN of a while ago regarding procurement; they are not going to LPO as the first COA for sizing issues; rather, they are taking molds of the feet for obtaining custom-fitted footwear from the federal contractor instead as the first COA.

I had that done once too.  The boots felt worse than the ones off the shelf (probably the "lowest bidder" thing).  If need be, I'll buy my own.  :dunno:

 

[MikeL]

Searching around the CANFORGENS/CANLANDGENs and the useless DIN search engine,  I haven't seen any messages regarding the wear of brown boots, outside of a message Gander putout saying the Army is going to a brown boot and showing pictures of the Arid Boots and these new Brown Combat Boots.  Does anyone know if there will be a official message coming out saying we can start wearing brown boots,  or is it just wear them once they are issued and everyone is supposed to know this through word of mouth?


Also,  anyone heard of a brown version of the Wet Weather Boots?