Eye In The Sky
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Hatchet Man said:
Or not doing the extras and seeing what that dice roll comes up with. :blotto:
Tattoo Thread - including current policy [MERGED]
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Or not doing the extras and seeing what that dice roll comes up with. :blotto:
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Eye In The Sky said:
If I was still in and this came up (I have tattoo's on my forearms and designs for full sleeves), I would be that guy to say go ahead charge me
Got into an argument with a Sgt-Major when I was on work up, he was over hearing a conversation myself and others about what ink is legal, he waded in with the assumption that below wrist/hands are no go. I didn't like him anyways, so I told him point blank he was wrong. He didn't like that. Went on about I am Sgt-Maj blah, blah. I said that's fine sir, you are still wrong and I will show you. Gave him a copy of the dress regs, he spent 2 weeks trying to find something to refute me, eventually came up empty, and begrudgingly admitted he was wrong (choose his words carefully, I wasn't right, he was just wrong).From 265, Section 2 - Appearance, Para 9:
9. Body Tattoos and Body-Piercing. As of April 1st, 2004, members are not to acquire any tattoos that are visible on the head, neck, chest or
ears when an open collared shirt is worn. Additionally, members shall not acquire visible tattoos that could be deemed to be offensive (e.g.,
pornographic, blasphemous, racist or containing vulgar language or design) or otherwise reflect discredit on the CF. Visible and non-visible body piercing adornments, with the exception of women’s earrings and ear sleepers described in sub-paragraph 6.a., shall not be worn by members either in uniform or on duty in civilian clothing. The meaning of the term “on duty”, for purposes of dress and appearance, is Interpreted in Chapter 1, paragraph 20.
Where can I find this actual document? Or if someone could save me more time, when writing a memo for permission to get a tattoo what is used for the reference number at the top of the memo?
9. Body Tattoos and Body-Piercing. As of April 1st, 2004, members are not to acquire any tattoos that are visible on the head, neck, chest or
ears when an open collared shirt is worn. Additionally, members shall not acquire visible tattoos that could be deemed to be offensive (e.g.,
pornographic, blasphemous, racist or containing vulgar language or design) or otherwise reflect discredit on the CF. Visible and non-visible body piercing adornments, with the exception of women’s earrings and ear sleepers described in sub-paragraph 6.a., shall not be worn by members either in uniform or on duty in civilian clothing. The meaning of the term “on duty”, for purposes of dress and appearance, is Interpreted in Chapter 1, paragraph 20.
Where can I find this actual document? Or if someone could save me more time, when writing a memo for permission to get a tattoo what is used for the reference number at the top of the memo?
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KELL711 said:
You don't need permission to get inked.
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SentryMAn said:
There are enough examples of self licking ice cream cones in the military without you turning yourself into one.
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But are they visually amusing examples?recceguy said:There are enough examples of self licking ice cream cones in the military without you turning yourself into one.
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I recall seeing an individual with the red maple leaf and crossed swords used as a logo by the Army. It was huge, starting below the collar, coming up one side and the back of his neck, and reaching out well onto a cheek.
It was spectacularly stupid looking.
It was spectacularly stupid looking.
Hello,
I tried looking for an answer to this, but seem to get mixed answers through my searches. Either saying it's okay unless it's not racist/profane/offensive, or it's not okay no matter what.
While in the forces, I got 2 full sleeve tattoos without any problems. I'm just wondering if there will be problems if I continue them into my hands and neck a bit. I see people all the time at different places I work with tattoos on their neck and hands, so I don't see the problem. Whether they got them while they were in or before they joined is a different story. The fact of the matter is they still have them on their neck and hands and are still in.
What if I'm posted to a different base and I get my work done before I show up, how will they know if I got them now or before I joined? (when apparently it's okay then).
I tried looking for an answer to this, but seem to get mixed answers through my searches. Either saying it's okay unless it's not racist/profane/offensive, or it's not okay no matter what.
While in the forces, I got 2 full sleeve tattoos without any problems. I'm just wondering if there will be problems if I continue them into my hands and neck a bit. I see people all the time at different places I work with tattoos on their neck and hands, so I don't see the problem. Whether they got them while they were in or before they joined is a different story. The fact of the matter is they still have them on their neck and hands and are still in.
What if I'm posted to a different base and I get my work done before I show up, how will they know if I got them now or before I joined? (when apparently it's okay then).
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inkme said:
Are you willing to risk being ordered to have them removed?
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inkme said:
Tattoos are awesome (especially when spelt right) but consider this. There may come a time in your career when you want to try out something a little out of the box.
A job which requires you to not instantly look like you're military. You can grow long hair and play dress up but if you're physically fit and covered in visible tattoos it's a very big tip off about military service or connections. JTF2, source handler, working in plain clothes with the public (even OPP or CSIS or something down the road)- having the ol paratrooper wings on your wrist , a PPCLI tattoo on your hand or stuff up your neck might make you stand out in places you don't want to.
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In trying to sreach for your effort I found this Para about Tattoo in a Message
B. BODY TATTOOS AND BODY-PIERCING: MEMBERS SHALL NOT ACQUIRE VISIBLE
TATTOOS THAT COULD BE DEEMED TO BE OFFENSIVE (EG. PORNOGRAPHIC,
BLASPHEMOUS, RACIST OR CONTAING VULGAR LANGUAGE) OR OTHERWISE
REFLECT DISCREDIT ON THE CF. VISIBLE AND NON-VISIBLE BODY PIERCING
ADORNMENTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WOMENS EARRINGS AND EAR SLEEPERS
DESCRIBED IN PARA 4, SHALL NOT BE WORN BY MEMBERS EITHER IN UNIFORM
OR ON DUTY IN CIVILIAN CLOTHING. AS OF 01 APRIL 2004, MEMBERS ARE
NOT TO ACQUIRE ANY TATTOOS THAT ARE VISIBLE ON THE HEAD, NECK, CHEST
I recall being in Wainwright and saw some posters advising members that as of 1 Apr 2004 not to acquire tattoos that woud be visible.
Though I couldn't find any direct referances IE QR&O, DAODs, or CANFORGENS, I would suggest talking with your supervisor to play safe.
As for being posted to a different base, remember others (former boss's) may be posted there as well whom may rat on you, like wise the old Chiefs and Sgt Mjrs have been around the block they would be able to tell a fresh tattoo from one that could be a few years old. If in doubt there is or should be some paper work to log when you got the tattoo or declared it to your unit security. I do believe it's required to list all tattoos, scars and any other identifilable marks on your body.
B. BODY TATTOOS AND BODY-PIERCING: MEMBERS SHALL NOT ACQUIRE VISIBLE
TATTOOS THAT COULD BE DEEMED TO BE OFFENSIVE (EG. PORNOGRAPHIC,
BLASPHEMOUS, RACIST OR CONTAING VULGAR LANGUAGE) OR OTHERWISE
REFLECT DISCREDIT ON THE CF. VISIBLE AND NON-VISIBLE BODY PIERCING
ADORNMENTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WOMENS EARRINGS AND EAR SLEEPERS
DESCRIBED IN PARA 4, SHALL NOT BE WORN BY MEMBERS EITHER IN UNIFORM
OR ON DUTY IN CIVILIAN CLOTHING. AS OF 01 APRIL 2004, MEMBERS ARE
NOT TO ACQUIRE ANY TATTOOS THAT ARE VISIBLE ON THE HEAD, NECK, CHEST
I recall being in Wainwright and saw some posters advising members that as of 1 Apr 2004 not to acquire tattoos that woud be visible.
Though I couldn't find any direct referances IE QR&O, DAODs, or CANFORGENS, I would suggest talking with your supervisor to play safe.
As for being posted to a different base, remember others (former boss's) may be posted there as well whom may rat on you, like wise the old Chiefs and Sgt Mjrs have been around the block they would be able to tell a fresh tattoo from one that could be a few years old. If in doubt there is or should be some paper work to log when you got the tattoo or declared it to your unit security. I do believe it's required to list all tattoos, scars and any other identifilable marks on your body.
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So, you plan on lying about it, if asked?
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Yes. I'm pretty sure I won't be the only person ever to have told a white lie in the CF.
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Are you willing to risk being ordered to have them removed?
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Yes. But I don't see it going nearly that far. Having to get something removed that's not even remotely racist/offensive? Never heard of that before.
[quote author=ObedientiaZelum]
Tattoos are awesome (especially when spelt right) but consider this. There may come a time in your career when you want to try out something a little out of the box.
A job which requires you to not instantly look like you're military. You can grow long hair and play dress up but if you're physically fit and covered in visible tattoos it's a very big tip off about military service or connections. JTF2, source handler, working in plain clothes with the public (even OPP or CSIS or something down the road)- having the ol paratrooper wings on your wrist , a PPCLI tattoo on your hand or stuff up your neck might make you stand out in places you don't want to.
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Not a problem for me, all my tattoos are not military related and don't plan on doing anything that requires me to not have tattoos.
[quote author=GreenMarine]As for being posted to a different base, remember others (former boss's) may be posted there as well whom may rat on you, like wise the old Chiefs and Sgt Mjrs have been around the block they would be able to tell a fresh tattoo from one that could be a few years old. If in doubt there is or should be some paper work to log when you got the tattoo or declared it to your unit security. I do believe it's required to list all tattoos, scars and any other identifilable marks on your body.
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I get asked all the time if my tattoos are new but I keep telling them they are years old. I hold ink pretty well so I'm not concerned if they think it's fresh or not. Also, I never had to say if I had tattoos or not.
So, you plan on lying about it, if asked?
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Yes. I'm pretty sure I won't be the only person ever to have told a white lie in the CF.
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Are you willing to risk being ordered to have them removed?
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Yes. But I don't see it going nearly that far. Having to get something removed that's not even remotely racist/offensive? Never heard of that before.
[quote author=ObedientiaZelum]
Tattoos are awesome (especially when spelt right) but consider this. There may come a time in your career when you want to try out something a little out of the box.
A job which requires you to not instantly look like you're military. You can grow long hair and play dress up but if you're physically fit and covered in visible tattoos it's a very big tip off about military service or connections. JTF2, source handler, working in plain clothes with the public (even OPP or CSIS or something down the road)- having the ol paratrooper wings on your wrist , a PPCLI tattoo on your hand or stuff up your neck might make you stand out in places you don't want to.
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Not a problem for me, all my tattoos are not military related and don't plan on doing anything that requires me to not have tattoos.
[quote author=GreenMarine]As for being posted to a different base, remember others (former boss's) may be posted there as well whom may rat on you, like wise the old Chiefs and Sgt Mjrs have been around the block they would be able to tell a fresh tattoo from one that could be a few years old. If in doubt there is or should be some paper work to log when you got the tattoo or declared it to your unit security. I do believe it's required to list all tattoos, scars and any other identifilable marks on your body.
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I get asked all the time if my tattoos are new but I keep telling them they are years old. I hold ink pretty well so I'm not concerned if they think it's fresh or not. Also, I never had to say if I had tattoos or not.
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