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Hey all,
I have applied for a position with a Reserve unit locally. My question is - is it generally Ok to take pictures of training, etc?
I am a crazy obsessed photographer with like 4 digital cameras. I live to take pics of paintball. Here's the link to my most recent ones (last few months):


http://community.webshots.com/user/CSPO_Paintball

There doesn't seem to be many good UNOFFICIAL photos of Canadian soldiers out there. The best ones of course are from the Imagery Techs but there is not many of them and they don't often come with the reserves I bet!


What say you? Thanks.
"the Russian"
 
First, bear this in mind.







011318Z SEP 06
FM NDHQ CDS OTTAWA
TO CANFORGEN
BT
UNCLAS CANFORGEN 136/06 CDS 050/06
SIC SAK
BILINGUAL MESSAGE/MESSAGE BILINGUE
SUBJ: GUIDANCE ON BLOGS AND OTHER INTERNET COMMUNICATIONS - CF OPERATIONS AND ACTIVITIES

REFS: A.QR AND O 19.36, 19.37, AND 19.375
B.DAOD 2008-1, 2008-4, AND 2008-6
C.NDSP CHAPTER 30

1. RECENTLY THERE HAS BEEN CONSIDERABLE INFORMATION POSTED TO THE INTERNET DESCRIBING THE EXPERIENCES OF CF MEMBERS, PARTICULARLY THOSE DEPLOYED ON OPERATIONS. THESE POSTINGS HAVE INCLUDED COMMENTARIES ON PERSONAL WEBSITES, WEB-LOGS (BLOGS) AND E-MAILS, AND UPLOADED STILL AND VIDEO IMAGERY. THIS MATERIAL HAS BEEN POSTED BY CF MEMBERS DEPLOYED ON OPERATIONS OR IN GARRISON, FAMILIES AND ACQUAINTANCES OF CF MEMBERS, EMBEDDED JOURNALISTS AND OTHER MEDIA, AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC

2. THIS CANFORGEN IS INTENDED TO ENSURE CF MEMBERS, THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, AND SPECIALIST ADVISORS AT ALL LEVELS ARE AWARE OF THE RISKS INHERENT IN MAKING SOME TYPES OF INFORMATION OR IMAGERY AVAILABLE TO THE WIDE AUDIENCE USING THE INTERNET, AND OF THE MEASURES TO BE TAKEN TO PREVENT SUCH RISKS

3. OPERATIONAL SECURITY IS PARAMOUNT. IT IS INCUMBENT UPON ALL CF MEMBERS TO CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL FOR CREATING RISK TO THEMSELVES, THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR PEERS, AND THE MISSION BY PUBLISHING INFORMATION TO THE INTERNET. SUCH INFORMATION OR IMAGERY MAY, EITHER INDIVIDUALLY OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER INFORMATION, PROVIDE EXPERT ANALYSTS INSIGHTS INTO CF CURRENT OPERATIONS, EQUIPMENT, CAPABILITIES, TACTICS, AND INTENTIONS, OR MAY PROVIDE INFORMATION THAT PUTS PERSONNEL IN SPECIALIST ROLES OR THEIR FAMILIES AT RISK

4. CF MEMBERS ARE TO CONSULT WITH THEIR CHAIN OF COMMAND BEFORE PUBLISHING CF-RELATED INFORMATION AND IMAGERY TO THE INTERNET, REGARDLESS OF HOW INNOCUOUS THE INFORMATION MAY SEEM. THE CHAIN OF COMMAND HAS ACCESS TO EXPERT ADVISORS, SUCH AS PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND INTELLIGENCE STAFFS, WHO WILL ENSURE THAT SUCH PUBLISHED INFORMATION IS NOT ULTIMATELY PREJUDICIAL TO CF OPERATIONS AND PERSONNEL

5. CF MEMBERS ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT ANY INFORMATION OR IMAGERY THEY SHARE WITH A THIRD PARTY WHO MAY NOT SHARE CF OPERATIONAL SECURITY CONCERNS IS NOT OF SUCH A NATURE THAT IT COULD CREATE RISKS IF PUBLISHED

6. COLLECTION OF INFORMATION OR IMAGERY BY EMBEDDED JOURNALISTS OR OTHER MEDIA IS SUBJECT TO AGREEMENTS BETWEEN SUCH MEDIA AND THE RESPONSIBLE PUBLIC AFFAIRS STAFF, WHO WILL ENSURE THE APPROPRIATE MANAGEMENT AND RELEASE OF INFORMATION

7. IT IS NOT THE INTENT OF THE CF TO RESTRICT THE INTERNET ACCESS PROVIDED TO CF MEMBERS AS DESCRIBED IN THE REFERENCES. WITHIN GENERALLY WELL-UNDERSTOOD LIMITS, CF MEMBERS ARE ENTITLED TO COMMUNICATE WITH FRIENDS, FAMILY AND COLLEAGUES, AS ARE ALL CANADIAN CITIZENS

8. THE CF CHAIN OF COMMAND, PARTICULARLY IN A THEATRE OF OPERATIONS, HAS THE AUTHORITY TO RESTRICT ACCESS TO THE INTERNET IF IT IS DEEMED ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAINING OPERATIONAL SECURITY

9. LEGAL ADVICE ON THIS CANFORGEN IS AVAILABLE TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND FROM THE NATIONAL SECURITY DIRECTORATE OF THE CF LEGAL ADVISOR (CFLA)





It's not unusual to see pictures taken on training, but keep OPSEC in mind- and also realize that the typical new recruit 'hero shots' are the ones that end up embarassing us a few years down the road. ;) Generally speaking, it will depend on your unit chain of command, and on what you're doing at the time. Often you'll have neither space nor time to carry or use a camera...

I just wanted to offer that advice before this turns into a dogpile based on the paintball pics.
 
russianfrontphotos said:
There doesn't seem to be many good UNOFFICIAL photos of Canadian soldiers out there. The best ones of course are from the Imagery Techs but there is not many of them and they don't often come with the reserves I bet!

Actually, we get brigade imagery techs on many of our exercises. But you're right that there aren't many, and they don't frequently take pictures of YOU want, like yourself or your buddies. They're good for professional photos, but you'll still want to take your own pictures. Just don't let it get in the way of performing your duties, even if it is just an exercise.
 
G'day russ,

Can I call you russ?  Russianfrontphotos seems so formal...  ;D

With the ubiquitousness of digital camera these days, candid photos among the troops are extremely common.  4+ months into this tour and we've got 10's of GB of pics and videos just within my subunit (about 30 guys) alone.  People, places (this county has a stark, amazing beauty to it), things (jingle trucks have the most bizzare, surreal paint jobs - the other day I saw one that was garishly painted with all sorts of designs (that's pretty common) but right in the middle was the english words "edible oil"... I have to wonder if the truck driver knew what that meant...) and action shots.

Expect that you and your buddies will be taking pictures.  Also expect (and ensure) that all of you will respect each other enough to not be posting/publishing any of them without each others permission.  That covers it from a personal standpoint.  The canforgen that Brihard posted covers everything else (legal, OPSEC, etc.)

Hope this helps.
 
I try to have a camera with me as much as i can too. I'm a mad keen photographer myself. But like the others said, you got to think about what your taking. That sweet photo of your mate holding two C9's while wearing nothing but his boots, jocks and beret may seem hilarious but the laugh factor will wear off really quick when CTV get a hold of it and talk about Rambo reservists or something like it.

I always take a camera with me out bush, whether i get to use it is a different matter. I was away for a few weeks recently and came home with about 10 photos from out field, most of those taken while the boys were eating. You tend to struggle to find time to break out the camera and take pictures of the contact you and your section are having with the bad guys. You know what I'm saying i think, when your out bush you've got a job to do and there is usually (If your a grunt or dismounted) no time to use your camera.
In a vehicle though its different but again, your boss wont smile on you if he says "Prepare to advance" and you say "Hold a sec sarge, i've just got to put me camera away, got a great snap of the turret though!"
 
My advice would by all mean take pictures or even videos,for your personal
use.However I would advise anyone who does this to be extremely carefull
on where you post them,or whom you show them to,as there have been too
many cases of them falling into the wrong hands and being use to damage
you personally,your unit or the whole military.
                                        Regards
 
Taking pics on basic and sq would probably be fine because none of that is any big mystery but if you see some guys with beards driving hummers than don't even bother  ;)
 
I on BMQ at this moment (Pres) and a few of us has a camera...the staff does not as a problem...but like our 2IC told us...as long as it does not compromise our security, our buddies security, the army security and...as long it does not interfere with our %$?&*@# training...it is OK.

 
mysteriousmind said:
as long it does not interfere with our %$?&*@# training...it is OK.

He's training you to %$?&*@#?  Man the army really has changed since my day. Then we had to figure that one out on our own. ;D

Serioulsy as noted no problems with pics as long as it does not interfere with the work or violate OPSEC/PERSEC etc shicvh comes down to common sense. I recently found an album full of crappy pics taken 20-30 years ago with a cheap little point and shoot of various excercises etc and i's nice looking at lonmg ago friends in our youth. I wish i'd taken more and had the camera I have now.
 
Hmm...

1.  To start off, as a recruit, you should be spending time listening to what is being taught to you - instead of always being on the allert for a "PHOTO OP".

2.  Bring a camera, no problem.  Use it, no problem.

3.  Things that appear to be hilarious to you, probably isn't so to the other guy who is the but end of the joke.  So get his permission to keep it.... else DELETE IT!

4.  As a driver, a digital camera to record the details of an accident will make a world of difference, if you're not at fault

5.  Doing a survey, route reccee, site reccee, etc - the digital camera can provide you with lots of reminders - so, go ahead and fill your boots - just remember to RESPECT EVERYONE.  DO NOT POST/PUBLISH COMPROMISING PICTURES OF YOURSELF OR OF OTHERS.
 
Hey guys, great reponses! I never take photos that would embarass somebody, they are usually just "better" photos than you would usually see - better focus, composition and exposure. I probably wouldn't be able to match the high level of the forces Imagery Tech as I'd be limited to a small point and shoot (as opposed to my near pro DSLR) but it still takes good pictures.
Thanks again and I hope I get the chance to post up some pics here soon!
The Russian out!
 
Remember that you are not there to take pictures.....you have a job to do.  And dont get your hopes up, you wont be able to carry a camera that doesent fit into a small pocket
 
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