Syria Superthread [merged]

[Command-Sense-Act 105]

Actually, Flanker, there's not much that's "Clandestine" about Israel's nuclear program.  More like an "open secret" that no one denies.

No one in the Levant is innocent, they all have blood on their hands.  Rather than be emotive on the subject, maybe some research will back up your allegations.  Some hints are from one of my previous posts here.

However, your blinders must come off - if you swing the tar brush, everyone who deserves some must get it.  There are no innocents there - trying to accuse someone in the Levant of murder is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

 

[Command-Sense-Act 105]

Oh, Flanker, I just saw your last.  Trying to help you out here...

You are not going down a good path.  I suggest that you not be so one-sided if you expect anyone to take you seriously.  Sources, research, documentation and objectivity are your friends if you try to make a point here.

 

[tomahawk6]

Six anti-Syrian politicians have been asassinated is it bad luck or Syria trying to destablize Lebanon ? I think its the latter. Where did hizbollah get all the missiles they hit Israel with last year ? Iran by way of Syria. In Gaza we see rocket attacks from there by Iranian rockets. In Iraq we have captured hundreds of Iranian Quds Force agents a senior officer just last week was captured. Iran is supplying weapons and money to both AQ and the pro-Iranian shia militias. You probably dont see a pattern here but I do. Israel struck a target deep inside Syria and curiously there has been no comment by Israel or Syria. No anti-israel outcry from the arab states either which has got to be a first.

 

[1feral1]

This Flanker is just a troll guys, time to ignore it.

He has his agenda, and thats to stir the pot and get attention. He has had his audience, now its time to phuck him off via frog marching!

I am all for giving a bloke a fair go on here, but his credibility is in the negatives, and he's cut his own throat. Examine his posts, they speak for themselves.

Flanker = waist of band width on here.

Wes

EDITed not to 'OFFEND' those so politically 'correct' inclined.

 

[Flip]

No one has stated the obvious.

Israel has never called for or attempted the destruction of
Syria or Iran.

If Israel has nukes it's for self defence.
If Syria or Iran has nukes it's for making trouble.

It's a simple but meaningful distinction.

 

[Shec]

No one has stated the obvious.

Israel has never called for or attempted the destruction of
Syria or Iran.

If Israel has nukes it's for self defence.
If Syria or Iran has nukes it's for making trouble.

It's a simple but meaningful distinction.

Thankyou for making that essential point.    At their passing out parade all IDF recruits take the oath "Masada Shall Not Fall Again" .  For if it does it will surely be the end of the world as Megiddo, or Armageddon, is only a short 3 hour drive away.   

As for your observation that this will make a rivetting movie, it certainly has all the ingredients for one (except maybe for Chuck Norris). And perhaps the real star of the show is the IDF's Sayaret Matkal.  Originally modelled on the SAS they:

Commandos captured nuclear materials before air raid in Syria'


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JPost.com Staff , THE JERUSALEM POST Sep. 23, 2007

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Soldiers from an elite Israeli unit captured nuclear material originating in North Korea from a secret Syrian military installation before IAF jets bombed it, a report by Britain's Sunday Times wrote Saturday night, quoting "informed sources in Washington and Jerusalem."

According to the sources quoted by the report, the alleged IAF attack was sanctioned by the US on September 6, after the Americans were given proof that the material was indeed nuclear related.

The sources confirmed that the materials were tested after they were taken from Syria and were found to be of North Korean origin, which raised concerns that Syria may have been trying to come into possession of nuclear arms.

The report said that the commandos, from the legendary General Staff's Reconnaissance Unit (Sayeret Matkal), may have been disguised in Syrian army uniforms. It also stated that Defense Minister Ehud Barak, who used to head the unit, personally oversaw the operation.

Israeli sources admitted that special forces had been accruing intelligence in Syria for several months, the report said, adding that evidence that North Koreans were at the site was presented to President George Bush during the summer.

The report said North Korean and Chinese diplomats believed that North Koreans were also killed in the subsequent "IAF air strike."

Meanwhile, Newsweek quoted Binyamin Netanyahu adviser Uzi Arad as saying, "I do know what happened, and when it comes out it will stun everyone."

This was their greatest snatch since they seized a state of the art Russian built Egyptian AA radar station and helicoptered it back to Israel in 1969 and their greatest raid since Entebbe. 

 

[Greymatters]

So what? All this, does not help to justify Israel's aggressions, ignoring UN resolutions and clandestine manufacturing of nuclear weapon.  No, I am just wondering why you are blaming Iran or Syria that has not done any thing yet and persistenly close your eyes on Israel who has already done all that.  Why? 

Thats Flanker in the back... 

 

[tamouh]

I do agree with CSA 105 post. All sides in the ME are no better than the other one. Personally, I think if the Arabs possessed nukes while Israel had none nor Israel had support from the US, Tel Aviv would be flatten by now. On the other hand, lets not forget the Israel did consider using Nuclear Bombs on Egypt during the 1973 war.

During the cold war , the USSR served as a backer for the Arab states ensuring Israel wouldn't think about using its nuclear power. But since the fall of communisim most Arab states find themselves with no supporters and hence the nuclear arm race.

Back on topic, Syria already have a small research only nuclear facility, and obviously like any other country in that part of the world would want to guarantee their safety (just as Israel does) by owning nuclear weapons. I think should the Iranians or Syrians own any nuclear weapons, they're far more likely to use it against their own people than Israel. After all, it works to the 'leaders' advantage to keep Israel on the map as a way of controlling their population.

 

[1feral1]

I think should the Iranians or Syrians own any nuclear weapons, they're far more likely to use it against their own people than Israel

Or sell/supply them to an extremist islamic front against us, yes the west, and thats not generally at the USA either.

IMHO, Iran will not get any nuclear capability in the forseeable future, because this will be simply quashed by random surgical airstrikes, which will come sooner than later, so do a 'wait out' on the national news. Its coming one day to a theatre (of ops) near you.


Wes

 

[TCBF]

Taking out infrastructure is one thing - 'de-militarizing' the technicians who know how to use that infrastructure is another. 

You will recall the bizzare wave of fatal 'accidents' that mysteriously shredded the ranks of British scientists who were working on the American SDI ('Star Wars') research contracts  in England the 1980s.

Recall as well the 'accidental' landing in a school compound of a 'stray' US helicopter during the raid on the (empty) Son Tay POW camp in Noth Vietnam years ago. Turned out the 'school' was the classroom and quarters used by 'foriegn' air defence specialists who regettably did not survive the incident.  Oooops. Sorry about that.

 

[GAP]

Syria air strike target 'removed'
Article Link

Newly-released satellite images of the presumed site of an Israeli air raid on Syria last month suggest that a large building has been completely removed.
US research group, the Institute for Science and International Security, obtained and analysed the images.

The industrial-style building may have been a nuclear reactor under construction, says the ISIS.

A BBC correspondent says the images are not conclusive. Nor is it certain that they show the site hit by Israeli jets.

The Israeli strike has been shrouded in mystery and speculation.

Originally Israel did not even admit that the 6 September raid had been carried out, and its military censor ordered a complete blackout on information.

But Syria said Israeli warplanes violated its airspace in what it called a "hostile act", and Israel eventually acknowledged the mission some four weeks later.

Intelligence sources hinted at a possible link with North Korea's nuclear programme.

'Resemblance'

On Wednesday the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS), an independent organisation, released satellite images pre-dating the attack, of a facility in northern Syria that it believes was the target.

They showed both a large industrial building and a pumping station near the Euphrates river.


SEQUENCE OF EVENTS
6 Sept: Syria says air defences fired at Israeli jets, which "dropped some ammunition without causing any material damage"
Week one: Israel says nothing; US officials say Israel struck an unspecified target; one US source hints at links to North Korea
Week two: N Korea denies any link to Syria; Israeli opposition leader Binyamin Netanyahu admits Israel made strike
Week three: Syrian president says a military construction site was hit and speaks of "retaliation"; Israel confirms strike on "military target" 

The ISIS said the building bore a resemblance to the Yongbyon nuclear facility in North Korea.

"The length of the outer walls of the structures are approximately the same," the institute said in its analysis.

"From the image, the Syrian building is similar in shape to the North Korean reactor building, but the Syrian building is not far enough along in its construction to make a definitive comparison," it said.

The ISIS has now produced a more recent image of the same site taken on 24 October, more than six weeks after the alleged air attack.

The image appears to show that the building has been completely removed and the ground scraped clean.
More on link

 

[a_majoor]

IMHO, Iran will not get any nuclear capability in the forseeable future, because this will be simply quashed by random surgical airstrikes, which will come sooner than later, so do a 'wait out' on the national news. Its coming one day to a theatre (of ops) near you.

I suspect the Iranians will have a rash of industrial accidents at or near their sites (high speed centrifuges are very sensitive to voltage fluctuations or other events that unbalance them, for example), who knows, maybe that is already happening. It would be much harder to figure out if this was a result of Achmed's innatention or action by Western or Israeli SOF operators, while airstrikes are pretty unambiguous.

 

[Flip]

Ah yes!

The time honoured, "series of unfortunate events". ;D

 

[geo]

... "living in interesting times"

 

[Greymatters]

Unbelievable what manages to get put out in open sources these days... good stuff!

 

[tomahawk6]

Syrian weapons facility [that Israel struck]  has since been dismantled by the Syrians.

 

[TCBF]

Syrian weapons facility [that Israel struck]  has since been dismantled by the Syrians.

- Wow. That was quick.  They must have some pretty strict environmental remediation laws!

;D

 

[tomahawk6]

or something to hide  ;D

 

[geo]

Hide, hide what?... it was an empty building, honest

 

[tomahawk6]

It does seem to be a twin of one of the structures at one of the north korean nuclear sites. The Norks traded nuclear stuff for wheat. Looks like they got the better deal.