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The Polaris Institute is not exactly non-partisan. A quick look at their web site, and their "favourite links" ought to give you a rough approximation of their political viewpoints. They support the people, and communities in the very same way socialists have always claimed MY voice as part of a collective.

As usual, the fact that MY voice isn‘t part of that collective doesn‘t faze them...

Socialist bull****. Probably funded by the Liberal Party. Ottawa-based, and the Liberals have a documented history of giving money to their friends...

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Thanks for clearing that up humint, I got that info from a visiting Finn. He might have meant taxes on something else, it was a while ago, I‘m not sure.

As for Liberals pushing socialist cr@p, let‘s be honest here -- as much as we think they are left wing, they are just a mirror image of the Tories.
Right you are.

The national ethos of this country tends to fall to the socialist side of things, IMO. It all depends on individual opinion. **** , the NDP is as close to communism as you can get with any major party.

Socialist bull****. Probably funded by the Liberal Party. Ottawa-based, and the Liberals have a documented history of giving money to their friends...
Bang on. :)

Bahh, enough with politics, time to drink. :D
Have a nice Friday night!

Tyler
 
We can really scare off an enemy with our good social programs. Give me a break.
Perhaps if we got rid of health care and the military and invested all of that into dental care we could scare them off with the flash of our sharp white fangs. :evil:
 
I think this debate about money has always been around since there was a Canada to speak of. The social programs raised in the last 50 have expanded, and thus the funding for all of them instead of other things. Yet the fact clearly remains that where they raise the rest and forget about the base, the military as one of them.

Canadians have to stop comparing themselves with other countries like the USA on where we should be...and for a good reason. We have NOWHERE close to their population, or their purchasing power that comes with it. True, our funding should be a bit better, but we should have it to maintain ourselves and improve our forces and the technology we use, and our soldiers...not to try and look like the rest. I say have the funding for what we need and use...and forget the fancy dandy extras.

And about the posts concerning the past wars Canada participated in...we were never a vast force, but Canadian were considered shock troops. The Canadian Army was always regarded as a just and elite troop. We have our share of the exploits for those who think we never did anything...Vimy Ridge ring a bell? And so many other things...(I studied canadian military history by the way...).

So juss my two cents...and...Im new to the CF. Im 18 and I just signed up! Glad to do my part and serve my country proudly! :cdn:
 
Well, let me toss in my two cents on this subject.

I love Canadian health care. Sure, it‘s not perfect, but having a system that provides (mainly) free services, minimal waiting for low-level services, and a high standard of health expertise is certainly one of the things that makes me happy I live in Canada. Since our taxes are so damn high, our health care system had better be at least as good as it is.

But, I don‘t think health care should be the #1 government priority. Should it be up there? Yes, I think it should. But not numero uno.

That said, does the military budget have to necessarily be larger than the health care budget? They are two entirely different programs, and it‘s like comparing apples and guavafruits. If the hypothetical $1 spent on the military could give us all the safety and security we need, and we still have to spend $4 on health care to maintain it‘s current levels, then so be it. However, I know that the military does need fixin‘, and that means a budget increase.

I just don‘t think our present elected leaders are responsible enough to appropriate a budget increase effectively, for either program.

Health care is great -- but what good is a great health care system if I get mugged on my way to the hospital, or a terrorist flies a jetliner into my office tower? In Toronto, we have had a record number of motor vehicle and pedestrian deaths as a result of accidents on our roads, which places an obvious burden on health care because some of these people end up in hospitals before they give up the ghost. The cause could be that we do not have enough police on our roads.

The problems start small. They grow to effect many areas of our lifestyle.

An anthrax attack in a major Canadian city would certainly put a HUGE burden on our healthcare system! But the problem isn‘t that healthcare is underfunded.

We need to take a step back, analyze the whole picture, and look for cause and effect. I honestly do not believe that our present government is willing to do this, until they‘ve spent every last tax dollar on their conflict-of-interest pals.

Yes, health care is important. But I do not want to have to speak Arabic/Russian/Chinese/whatever, or speak through a gas mask, at my local hospital (unless, of course, those are my native languages!) in order to GET that health care service, simply because Herman the German or Herb the Serb or whatever you call your Figure 11 targets, just marched over to Canada and took over.

It‘s not xenophobic at all, either. I am a proponent of a healthy and effective immigration system. I have experience with the immigration system, and know it‘s current faults, etc., since I am a border guard. I myself am the son of an immigrant. Canada has a way of life that people find attractive, which is why 30 million of us live here, in spite of the ridiculous cold and snow half the year. I am not willing to compromise that way of life simply because we as a nation decided that getting our free flu shot was more important than keeping out terrorists and subversives.
 
In an ideal world, we would be able to slash and hack at all the useless fat that has turned what was a government into a beauracratic Leviathan.

In this ideal world, the federal governement would focus on three things:

Education - Make sure little Timmy and Susie can read the paper, write effectively, and do math without having to take off their socks, as a bare minimum. There should be one high standard of primary and secondary education from sea to shining frickin‘ sea. More support of colleges and universities would be nice, so as to allow anyone who is academically able to attend university without placing a crippling debt on them.

Health Care - Be able to provide to every citizen *essential* health care. If it‘s gonna keep you alive past a reasonable age, you should have access to it, period, end stop, fini. It‘s public funding of stupid **** like "gender reassignment" surgery (anyone recall that freak working in the Puzzle Palace?) that is leaking needed funding out of the system. While Romano may think just throwing money at the problem will make it go away, there is a lot of restructuring that should be going on before throwing in new cash. Trust me, I know, I‘ve been on the coal face of this one the last three years.

Defence/Security - Not just the Forces (though God knows we could always use more funding to make the *whole* sha-bang truly combat effective, instead of two battalions and a few ships being the go-tos at any one time) but also CSIS, CSE, CG, customs, forces covering vital infrastructure, etc. need to be given top billing, especially in the world in which we live now. Again, the focus should be on restructuring. All these elements are so far beyond top heavy it is not funny, and there is a lot of bull**** that could be stripped out tying up cash that should be downloaded to the troops on the sharp end. Then the focus should be turned to buying equipment that focuses on helping the troops do the job they are assigned most effectively.

The federal governement should not be focused on anything other than those three areas. Anything else is either socialist bull**** (think anything Sheila Copps whines about) that should not be funded or is something that can be handled provincially and/or locally.
 
If im not mistaking are they not in current restructure with the New Army thing? I read on the site that it was a 5-10 year project aiming to bring the CF in the 21st century.

Does anybody know if this restructuring means that they will inject money to overhaul some of our outdated material and equipment? From what I read or see it seems to be concerned with the organisation...but if anybody knows Id be glad to hear it!
 
Get ready to become the 51st state!
Re. inter border troop movement‘s in case of?

National Emergency!!!!


My Arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thank god I only have another 5yrs to go and I‘ ****ing off out of here!!!!!!!!!!
 
Perhaps we ought to be supporting the United States in imposing Pax Americana on the rest of the world.

I think Chretien was exactly right when he said our higher standard of living has left us at risk for worldwide jealousy and terrorism. Until the standard of living is sufficiently high in other countries in the world, we will always have enemies.

If every Afghani family lived in an air conditioned house, with two cars, three TVs, an X-Box, and unlimited health care...would they really be concerned about arming themselves with Kalishnikovs, training suicide bombers, or pledging a blood oath to the local warlord?

I should think that "fat and happy", as the earlier reference to the Romans intimated, should be a global goal. Hungry people make for angry people. The best way to provide for our own security is not to arm ourselves to the teeth, but to convince our enemies and potential that they don‘t have to arm themselves in order to secure a decent way of life, too.

We‘ve tried to be proactive in this regard...witness Somalia...but we, the UN, everyone seems to fall short of actually taking constructive measures to secure our interests in this manner.

Terrorism is not a problem, it is a symptom. The problem is the disparity between rich and poor, and the useless nationalism exhibited by ethnic groups in Africa, Yugoslavia, et al. We see it here in Canada, too but for some strange reason have avoided major bloodshed over it (if you dismiss the dead policeman at Oka as "minor").

Happy Holidays, everyone, hope to see you, and more newcomers here, in the year ahead.
 
I don‘t think the primary reason the US is a target of terrorism is because of their higher standard of living but rather because of their politics regarding other nations, most notably Israel and, at the moment, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. They also tend to be fairly arrogant and self centered as a whole.

Here‘s an example : recently the US invited Turkey to join the European Union.

They don‘t have the authority to do so, something the EU made quite clear to them.

Also, does anyone else find it strange that even North Korea has freely admitted to having a nuclear weapons program and are very close to having warheads, the US is still more concerned about Iraq, even though the weapons inspectors have found NO evidence of any weapons of mass destruction? They‘re probably going to go to war with Iraq regardless of what the inspectors find. The reason they‘re so concerned about Iraq is because of the region‘s oil and not, as they would have everyone believe, because they want to protect the people of Iraq and the surrounding nations from this evil dictator. Saudi Arabia has denied the US the use of their country as a base of operations.

The list goes on and on. I think we should try very hard to not get put into the same boat as them.

Anyway, Merry Christmas :D
 
There‘s lots of talk here about social programs vs. military spending. Maybe if it was presented differently there wouldn‘t be such a debate over it. Why can‘t the military be viewed as a cornerstone "social program" in itself? Whether you were born here or elsewhere, one can gain an education from the military and a career upon graduation!!! Now ask the struggling university student paying off OSAP and flipping burgers at Burger King why they didn‘t want to invest in themselves? A lot of it is complacency. If military spending was presented in this manner to immigrants, I‘m certain they would understand the value behind it. They would definitely see the benefits their children could gain by a degree program financed by the Canadian Armed Forces and a subsequent career in the service.

-the patriot- :cdn:
 
Well part of the problem is nobody friggin knows about the few petty little educational benefits the Forces even offer. The recruiting site makes vague references, but in reality unless you‘re planning to be a pilot, doctor, or dentist, there‘s not much for the average Canadian besides RMC (where they only take the best of the best students). The average highschooler doesn‘t want to spend his college years doing drill and kit inspections anyways.

There are some Naval Technician programs that give you a free 2-yr diploma prior to service from a select number of community colleges, but a college diploma (as opposed to a university degree) is neither expensive enough or desired enough to encourage youngsters to trade 3 or 4 years of service for it. What we need is a REAL education benefits program like the US has: The Montgomery GI Bill gives any Enlisted w/ an honourable discharge $50,000 for college or university after 4 years service. The US military also has ROTC programs at most of the accredited colleges and universities in the country, which heavily subsidze almost any recognized degree progam, in exchange for 4 years of service as a commissioned Officer upon graduation.

There‘s shyt all in this country for military educational benefits and that has to change first.
 
While the CF certainly doesn‘t have as many educational benefits as the US services, the civilian university ROTP program provides something fairly similar to the US ROTC programs. While the civvie U ROTP program was downsized in the past (I think), this year there were almost as many civvie U ROTP students as RMC ROTP students.

There‘s almost no publicity for the program though, I know. I hadn‘t heard of it at all until it was offered to me, and the vast majority of people I meet have never heard of it.
 
Ya but ROTP is only for a select few degree programs, like nursing or medicine, and its only available at certain schools. In the US, you can go to just about any University in the country and take whatever bachelor‘s degree program you want: art history, music, basket-weaving, etc and enrol in the ROTC program there and most of education paid for by Uncle Sam, with your 2nd year partially paid for and 3rd and 4th yrs completely paid for.
 
I‘m in ROTP under History and Religion, and I know people in ROTP taking subjects such as sociology, engineering, etc. The only requirement is that an ROTP student has to be in a degree program. It is also offered at every Canadian university, including those without any regular military base.

This could be a newer program in terms of its scope, but it‘s basically unknown to the public. I‘m surprised that recruiting doesn‘t mention it other than a few lines hidden in with the RMC information.
 
Interesting, I‘ve never heard of it and I still can‘t find anything about it on the internet. You wouldn‘t happen to have a link for more info would you?
 
The Polaris Institute - Corporate-Security State Project

Introduction

The relationship between economic globalization, militarism, and security has become critically important in the post 9/11 context. The ongoing war on terror is being used not to just seek out those responsible for the 9/11 attacks, but to provide greater protection for corporations through a war economy and muted social justice movements.

http://www.polarisinstitute.org/polaris_project/corp_security_state/corp_security_state_index.html

This is a series of quotes from their website. Every now and again these guys pop up with some very socialist-sounding statements about the "concern" they have for our overly militant society. They speak out against anything to do with the military, national security and any police-power matters being discussed.

So i started to wonder exactly who they are and what they're really up to.

All comments are more than welcome (even the less than intelligent ones - Who knows you may guess lucky!   ;)

Externally, industrialized states have been extending protection to transnational corporations through myriad instruments including foreign policy, defence policy, and international trade policy. The extensions of a global free trade system and military force have become intertwined objectives. The new round of negotiations within the WTO and the War on Terror have been used to build alliances and acceptance for the globalization of corporate and military hegemony.

Some things I'd like to know about them is

-Where does their funding come from?
-Who works for them?
-What effect do they already have on our society, if any?
-What power can they (or have they) already brokered and where did it come from?

One of the things that I can't understand is (according to their website anyways) the are most certainly AGAINST the privatization of just about anything. They seem to get the message across by attacking big business on a number of levels by promoting a sort of universal conspericy theory...If that's the case do they have corporate donations of any kind? who would donate and why?

More digging! ^-^

Later...

After reviewing a bit more of their website they have featured a number of organizations that do sponsor them.

The Canadian Union Of Public Employees
The Canadian Auto Workers Union
The Canadian labour Cogress
The Steelworkers Humanity Fund
Oxfam Canada

There are several others but those above are the biggies...

Here's what they had to sayt about Vivendi Universal...

Persistent patterns:
Corruption, bribery, environmental problems, maintenance deficiencies, and huge price increases make up their rap sheet. Vivendi bribed a French minister for a fake contract to privatize a towns water services. The minister was jailed for two years and fined $172,000 US. Similar pattern of behaviour founding their operations in Italy and Puerto Rica.

Last one for today...

Drought - it's the real thing: Poor villagers in India claim that soft-drink bottling plants are causing severe water shortages. 'After Coca-Cola came here, my land has become a desert' one farmers says.
February 12, 2005




Contact:
Steven Staples
Director, Project on the Corporate-Security State
Polaris Institute
312 Cooper Street
Ottawa, Ontario
K2P 0G7
Telephone: 1-(613) 237-1717x107
Fax: 1-(613) 237-3359
E-mail address: steven_staples@on.aibn.com
 
http://www.rmc.ca/academic/poli-econ/idrm/notes/0702_e.html

Breaking Rank: A Citizens' Review of Canada's Military Spending
Economic Note Series 07/02

Motivation

The Polaris Institute, a public interest research organization based in Ottawa, released a study recently (Dec 11, 2002) on Canada's military spending. The author of the study is Mr. Steve Staples, Director of the Polaris Institute's Project on the Corporate-Security State. This note provides a summary and a critique of the study.

The Report

Mr. Staples' main theme is that Canada's military spending is already high and any increases will not improve the citizens' security. In addition, the department should spend its budget wisely and re-direct capital funds that are being wasted on â Å“unnecessary military equipment and capabilitiesâ ?. The author also argues that the 1994 White Paper â Å“is woefully outdated and mired in Cold War thinkingâ ? and a public review of the defence and foreign policy is required. Mr. Staples also suggests that there is a link between defence spending and economic globalization since trade related contentions are creating conditions for â Å“conflict and generating the demand for the military protection of economic interestsâ ?.

To make his case, Mr. Staples looks at six premises that argue against increased defence spending:

  1. Defence spending is currently high
  2. The current defence policy is geared for war
  3. Traditional U.N. peacekeeping is abandoned by DND
  4. Globalization is creating terrorism and the military protects globalization
  5. There is mismanagement and waste in DND
  6. Defence lobby groups are the main drivers .

In subsequent paragraphs these themes are elaborated upon and critiqued.

Defence Spending

Mr. Staples skilfully uses DND's own convoluted argument that in terms of actual dollar spending Canada ranks 6 th in NATO and avoids the less flattering defence as a proportion of GDP (ranks Canada second to last). The author believes that â Å“ Canada's military spending as a percentage of GDP is used by members of the defence lobby to make Canada's military spending seem very low in order to build an argument for more military spending â ?. Unfortunately, for an alliance such as NATO, the best measure of members' defence contribution is â Å“ability to payâ ? and this is approximated by defence budget as a proportion of a country's income, or GDP.

Mr. Staples also believes the actual expenditure gross of revenues is a better measure of defence burden than the main estimates or expenditures net of revenue. From the â Å“cost to governmentâ ? or â Å“delivery of defence capabilityâ ? point of review, the expenditures gross of revenue measure may distort the reality as the revenues are cost recovery for services provided to other government departments or foreign military. In addition, the budget figures include portfolios and expenses that are not related to the core defence activity. Examples include the Communication Security Establishment and funds earmarked for disaster aid to provinces. Discussing the budget cuts of the mid 1990s, Mr. Staples opined that despite the reduction in the 1990s, the current spending is 19% greater than 1980-81 defence expenditures in real terms. This is just another play with numbers, one can also say the current level is about 18% below the levels of 1990-91 (before the budget cuts started). Alternatively, one can also point out that during the same period Canada's GDP (income or tax base) grew by 70% in real terms.

Defence Policy

The 1994 White paper is outdated according to the author and public debate on a new foreign and defence policy is suggested. Despite the fact that the White Paper was written after the Cold War, the author believed that the call for â Å“Multi-purpose combat capable forceâ ? seemed to suggest old and unrealistic vision.

Peacekeeping

Looking at current Canadian Forces deployments the author lamented, â Å“ The Canadian Forces were deployed in Afghanistan to fight a ground war under U.S. command. This is a stark departure from the lightly armed peacekeeping role Canada proudly played in trouble spots like Cyprus for many yearsâ ?. Regrettably, the study failed to realize that traditional peacekeeping operations like Cyprus are no longer the norm, but the exception as collapsed states, ethnic cleansing and humanitarian interventions dominate the current largely hostile environment.

Globalization

Mr. Staples believes globalization and military expenditures are linked. He believes that â Å“Canada's international trade policy supports the expansion of trade liberalization and deregulation through free trade agreements. Canada plays a leading role in the World Trade Organization and Canada's foreign policy is increasingly dominated by the trade agenda. This means that the government could easily define the defence of Canada's national economic security as the defence of globalization itself. Likewise, nations, organizations, and even individuals who challenge the unimpeded expansion of economic globalization could thus be seen as national security threatsâ ?. This intricate conspiracy theory is difficult to verify, as it is neither grounded on solid empirical research nor on a logical and rigorous strategic analysis.


Mismanagement, Waste and the Powerful Defence Lobby

The issue on mismanagement draws heavily on the Auditor General's report on government finances including DND. In particular , cost over-runs and questionable contracting practices on capital projects such as NATO Flight Training Program, Patrol Frigates, MHP, Submarine Capability Life Extension (SCLE) Project, The Very Long-Range Communication System (VLRCS), and JSF. These are well known facts that the department has or is responding to formally.

The Canadian defence industrial base is small and mostly a niche player. Only Bombardier, CAE and the Diesel Division of General Motors make it the top 100 defence industries in the World. Most importantly, these companies do not rely heavily on DND procurement. The notion of a powerful defence lobby is a bit of a stretch.
 
Let me explain to you how this works: you see, the corporations finance Team America, and then Team America goes out... and the corporations sit there in their... in their corporation buildings, and... and, and see, they're all corporation-y... and they make money.
 
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