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Sorry, was modifying my post.
TCBF said:BUT, there are two Armies: There is the Operational Army - the one you allude to above - then there is the CAREER Army. ....
....It is our MHR policies at all levels that have done more harm to the CF than all of the recent bad guys put together.
little jim said:It's because they all probably view the current missions the Army is engaged in as being highly desirable to go
little jim said:It's easy to pick sides and say GO!! And HitorMiss are evil but at least they have the strengths of their convictions. ..... It appears that both of them are staying put. You may not like their attitude or the manner in which they express themselves but they are hurt by the same system that hurts the reserves through so many little in justices. I'm not saying get all brokeback mountain with them but at least acknowledge they have a point.
HitorMiss said:The Res guys get both the training and the Operational experience to take back to their unit, with the added benefit of non trade specific knowledge as well, and the CSS guys get to have some of the strain removed from their shoulders.
Bruce Monkhouse said:GO!!!!,
Understand why people were bitter, but, like you said " Ottawa has made it clear". To be pissed off at the reserves guys would like you being pissed off at all CWO's because of the stupid idea yours had about jump pay.
As for saying now they had used up their leave, I'm sure the professional NCO's in the unit instructed and guided the men through a grievance process......
Haggis said:Hence my assertion that Army Reserve senior leaders (in all Army MOCs) have to have the operational expereince required to attain senior positions in the CF Reserve world in order to speak for the Army Reserve.
little jim said:I have a real issue with that statement. Play along with me and follow my ‘logic’
Haggis said:A Naval Reserve CPO2 can be (and is regularly) employed as coxswain (RSM) of a minor warship on real-world ops. An Air Reserve MWO can be the Senior Aviation Maintenance Supervisor (SAMS) of an operational flying squadron. How is an Army Reserve MWO expected to gain equitable operational experience if we deploy no higher than Pl level leadership?
Taking this one step further, operational experience is well known as a stepping stone to senior leadership. Given this scenario, the CF Reserve senior leadership could very well be Navy and Air Force dominated. What effect would that have on the Army Reserve's existance?
little jim said:Part of the strengths of the militia is the ties with the local community. ....... You don’t need a tour to be a good reserve leader as long as you take your head out of the sand.
We hear that the U.S. Army is worn out — propped up by national guardsmen and reserves. Yet young enlistees differ. They claim instead that more mature reservists are a godsend for reconstruction efforts since so many back home were successful contractors, businessmen, teachers and mechanics. Complaints circulate about the weight, not the dearth, of body and truck armor. I saw hundreds of Humvees on the roads, but not one was unarmored. I shot AK-47s with professional Iraqi soldiers and felt far safer amid their professional live fire than back at home at the local municipal range.
Firstly, it is naive and reckless to perpetuate the myth that a reservist, who trains for perhaps 39-45 days a year, can quickly stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the professional regular army soldier. Reservists need time to get trained up and prepared for deployment, but sadly, this policy was created to pinch pennies, and therefore that time is often denied. This was evident in the report that some British reservists were deployed to Iraq with less than one week of training. (27) Secondly, and correspondingly, the reality is that professional soldiers are often intensely insular, parochial, and filled with the most arrogant species of hubris about their unit and their battle reputation. In other words, they frequently distrust and often dislike "outsiders" and "amateurs", and reservists are the perfect target for their barbs, put-downs, and discrimination. Professional soldiers are, by and large, conservative and not especially sensitive to newcomers. In the initial stages of war, reservists and regulars are not equals, but this policy conveniently ignores that fact as much as possible. Unless governments begin to understand military culture and accept that war is costly, ugly, and unfair, the Total Force Army policy should be considered a failure in its very conception.
little jim said:http://www.knightsbridgeuniversity.com/documents/armyreservestoronto24.doc
I’m going to use the terms “insular,” “parochial” and “arrogant species of hubris” in my PER this year.
Haggis said:Even reading this quote in isolation, you can tell this fella has a bone to pick. The entire piece is quite alarming and refreshing from a Canadian perspective. We don't treat our deployed Reservists that bad (but we used to...)
the 48th regulator said:Maybe we should ask some of the junior ranks from the reserves.
TCBF said:It all depends on the people you are with.
It is just difficult to do so when there isn't even enough kit or ammunition for the Army as a whole, much less the reserve.
Everyone reg and reserve works with a lack of equipment,get over it.
rcac_011 said:It sounds like a boast to me.Look what we did and how poor off we were prior.You guys worked fine as d&s as most of us were concerned (except the pistol and tma anti-tank mine incident).Everyone reg and reserve works with a lack of equipment,get over it.
rcac_011 said:By the sound of things you were the res infantry who worked out of A sqn hanger RCD (correct?).I agree with you that you are not going to get coyote's ,as the RCD were short a full squadron.We had (I believe) at that time 4 manpacks in the regiment but if you needed tcccs updating there were 2 squadrons of vehicles around,I'm sure you could have worked on those.
rcac_011 said:You were about as well trained as the rest of us. Did you not do the same work up training?
That was Bravo Coy. C Coy used Adelbesic Ranges in Bihac, a 5 Corps AFBiH facility, with just enough ammo to group and zero. The remainder was either op stock or quarantined to be shipped back for the draw-down.rcac_011 said:As for c-6 training, didn't you get to fire at glamac the week of our arrival?
rcac_011 said:You guys worked fine as d&s as most of us were concerned (except the pistol and tma anti-tank mine incident).
recceguy said:Wow, pretty full of ourselves aren't we? I didn't read anything into it. Let's back off the condescending bullshit ok? Try to keep it on track. We're starting to come around that infamous circle for about the fourth time in this thread. It won't take much for it to sewer at this point.