Oh great. Yet another bunch of people saying "I'm a pilot" at the bar
I think it's just the flight suits, they seem to be bona-fide chick magnets. Seen it with my own eyes during airshow season
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I think it's just the flight suits, they seem to be bona-fide chick magnets. Seen it with my own eyes during airshow season
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THE NAVY HAD PILOTS FIRST!Oh great. Yet another bunch of people saying "I'm a pilot" at the bar
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Yeah. Everyone's a pilot, to the point that we just say "sure" instead of having to explain our jobs.I think it's just the flight suits, they seem to be bona-fide chick magnets. Seen it with my own eyes during airshow season
She, like, wouldn't get it anyway!
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I would argue that harbours had pilots first
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No joke - I am not a pilot but am aircrew. I have a friend who I've known for years, and I've explained several times what I do to them. They still say "dimsum is a pilot" to folks they know but I don't.
At this point my response is "sure, let's say that."
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Oh great. Yet another bunch of people saying "I'm a pilot" at the bar
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Of both types....
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Funny how the Interwebs bends and shapes you.
Thinking about father-in-law in corvettes dodging subs, leads to breaking ice following the route of Radisson and Groseillers, leads to Canadian submarines, leads to Canadian subs launching missiles, leads to the Mk 41 VLS system for subs aka the Virginia Payload Module, leads to dimensions of the modules and sizes of available subs, leads to the VPM in the Swedish Blekinge .... and still wondering if that's a possibility.
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And then I came to this Geopolitical Gem.
Sweden plays nicely with the Scandinavians, the Finns, the Balts and the Brits. All pals together in JEF.
But in NATO, and the EU, she has different dance partners.
Sweden develops some of the world's best technologies and its submarine fleet is interesting. And useful. But Sweden is a small country trying to support a very thin edge of the wedge capability.
Germany, on the other hand, seems to do efficiency better than innovation. In Kockums case, IMO, it appears that Germany tried to "buy" innovation - and then lock Sweden out of their own, hard won, strategic capabilty.
Thinking about father-in-law in corvettes dodging subs, leads to breaking ice following the route of Radisson and Groseillers, leads to Canadian submarines, leads to Canadian subs launching missiles, leads to the Mk 41 VLS system for subs aka the Virginia Payload Module, leads to dimensions of the modules and sizes of available subs, leads to the VPM in the Swedish Blekinge .... and still wondering if that's a possibility.
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Virginia Payload Module to Give Subs More Firepower
Virginia Payload Module to Give Subs More Firepower
And then I came to this Geopolitical Gem.
Sweden plays nicely with the Scandinavians, the Finns, the Balts and the Brits. All pals together in JEF.
But in NATO, and the EU, she has different dance partners.
Sweden develops some of the world's best technologies and its submarine fleet is interesting. And useful. But Sweden is a small country trying to support a very thin edge of the wedge capability.
Germany, on the other hand, seems to do efficiency better than innovation. In Kockums case, IMO, it appears that Germany tried to "buy" innovation - and then lock Sweden out of their own, hard won, strategic capabilty.
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Give over.... the Navy had Captains. They had to hire Pilots from the locals. Just like they had to hire Masters.
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I have heard many a CO refer to their NavOs as Pilot... I'm sure that comes from days or yore before the Air people.
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Canada may be better served with South Korean KSS III batch 2. 89m, range of 19,000km, but can only stay submerged for 20 days. There are 10 vertical launch tubes which is not an option Canada is looking for but could be replaced with a Slowpoke reactor. The S Koreans may be interested in the Slowpoke for their own needs. It certainly wouldn't hurt to talk to them about it.Funny how the Interwebs bends and shapes you.
Thinking about father-in-law in corvettes dodging subs, leads to breaking ice following the route of Radisson and Groseillers, leads to Canadian submarines, leads to Canadian subs launching missiles, leads to the Mk 41 VLS system for subs aka the Virginia Payload Module, leads to dimensions of the modules and sizes of available subs, leads to the VPM in the Swedish Blekinge .... and still wondering if that's a possibility.
Blekinge-class submarine - Wikipedia
Virginia-class submarine - Wikipedia
Virginia Payload Module to Give Subs More Firepower
Virginia Payload Module to Give Subs More Firepower
And then I came to this Geopolitical Gem.
Sweden plays nicely with the Scandinavians, the Finns, the Balts and the Brits. All pals together in JEF.
But in NATO, and the EU, she has different dance partners.
Sweden develops some of the world's best technologies and its submarine fleet is interesting. And useful. But Sweden is a small country trying to support a very thin edge of the wedge capability.
Germany, on the other hand, seems to do efficiency better than innovation. In Kockums case, IMO, it appears that Germany tried to "buy" innovation - and then lock Sweden out of their own, hard won, strategic capabilty.
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It doesn’t fit the NA sized human very well, nor does it have any ice capability.
If you look nuclear, it makes more sense to jump onto AUKUS, and we have heard repeatedly that nuclear powered boats won’t fly.
So if one accepts it as a given that nuclear boats are off the table. Following up from @Kirkhill Saab acquired Kockums and Sweden restarted the A26 class, which is supposed to have a ~25 day submerged ability, and limited ice strengthening. Which would put it in a decent position for Canada, as the first 2 Swedish A26 are supposed to be delivered in the next 2 years.
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I wonder how many Tomahawks, SM6s and PrSMs could be stowed on the slant in a Swedish or Korean hull?
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During a visit to Kockums facilities on 30 June 2015 the Swedish defence minister, Peter Hultqvist, announced that two submarines will be ordered for a cost of 8.2 billion SEK (US$ 956 million).[37] The two submarines were to be delivered to the Swedish Navy in 2024 and 2025. [38] However, in 2021 it was indicated that the delivery date had slipped by a further three years, to 2027–28, and the costs had risen by SEK5.2 billion (or USD600 million).[39]
They are pretty small subs at 1,900 tons. The Vic's are 2,455 tons and the Sōryū-class is 2,900 tons and Taigei class is 3,000. These will also be the first Swedish subs capable of blue water ops on a regular basis.
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Its' old school naval slang and a term of respect/familiarity. When the CO calls you (as the Navigator) pilot you know you've earned their trust.
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As I understand their size (length and tonnage) has grown due to the 18 VLS Strike cells that the initial design hadn’t featured.
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I suspect that since the first A26 just laid down and is the starting point the Oceanic ER class, they won’t have a full product sheet and defined capabilities until after that boat is finished.
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Maybe we could do a mixed fleet with a light sub under 2,000 tons and a heavy sub over 4,000 tons.
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Maybe that could be added to the JSS.I wonder how many Tomahawks, SM6s and PrSMs could be stowed on the slant in a Swedish or Korean hull?
This Bolt-On Launcher Can Give Nearly Any Ship The Same Weaponry As A U.S. Navy Destroyer
The launcher could allow everything from amphibious assault ships to logistics ships to carry the Navy's most potent surface-launched missiles.
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