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tomahawk6 said:Does the RCN have an under ice capability ?
Well, because ice floats I'm assuming that a 'Dark and Dirty' counts as an 'under ice' capability.
tomahawk6 said:Does the RCN have an under ice capability ?
CBH99 said:In regards to the FREMM, yes. They offered a fixed price contract for X number of ships, delivered on or before schedule. But, as you pointed out, it came with technical conditions that weren't going to be acceptable.
That being said however, they did offer full technology and IP transfer with the Rafale offer - including 'assembled' in Canada.
If the IP issues were sorted out, the French can offer some pretty impressive naval options at some pretty competitive timelines.
tomahawk6 said:So even diesel boats can cruise under the ice like nuke boats ? Necessary if a country has a claim in the arctic.
tomahawk6 said:So even diesel boats can cruise under the ice like nuke boats ? Necessary if a country has a claim in the arctic.
The United States does not want Canada to be operating submarines in the Arctic. So I doubt very much they will sell any nuclear-powered attack submarines to Canada. They will also probably do everything they can to prevent the Brits and the French from selling their nuclear-powered attack submarines to Canada. The United States gave the United Kingdom an S5W reactor.LoboCanada said:Could we chop up a Virginia Class to a smaller size?
We don't need as many VLS, and debatable if we need the SOF SDVs and associated launching gear.
The US has significant exp in building, designing, and operating SNNs (clearly), they're close to home, pre-existing global infrastructure and training platforms/programs.
Tack on a big IRB condition to a contract that any of the different US shipyards building them designate a partner/apprentice yard in Canada to learn how to do some of the basic maintenance.
Or - jump on to the RNs Astute SNN replacement project, although those will be coming online in 2040 and the Victorias would be decommissioned by then. Could send RCN crews to US/RN ships to build knowledge on SNNs...for about 10yrs. I know the RN is having a big issue with manning their sub fleet, not unpossible since we did this with RN ships in WW2.
Colin P said:If you went nuke, buy into an existing program and pay to use their refuelling facilities and waste storage. The French would be most happy if we did, as would the Brits. It would give us a bit more freedom to push our sovereignty, as the US may not always agree with our claims.
Uzlu said:The United States does not want Canada to be operating submarines in the Arctic. So I doubt very much they will sell any nuclear-powered attack submarines to Canada. They will also probably do everything they can to prevent the Brits and the French from selling their nuclear-powered attack submarines to Canada. The United States gave the United Kingdom an S5W reactor.
British reactors, therefore, may have incorporated some American technology—another reason the Americans may not want Canada to have British nuclear-powered attack submarines. And there might also be treaties that prevent Canada from buying nuclear-powered attack submarines from the United Kingdom or France. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada-class_submarine#American_opposition
Maybe, but maybe not after someone explained to him that this would mean Canadians would at least have the capability to actually block anyone's access to the NW Passage to anyone who, oh, I don't know, may just want to mosey on through without having to bother anyone by asking.Colin P said:... I suspect he would support such a move and claim it was his idea.
Colin P said:You could throw it into Trumps face that Canada is stepping up to it's 2% commitment and defending North America by buying British or French Nukes, I suspect he would support such a move and claim it was his idea.
Hamish Seggie said:The last time we even thought of purchasing nuclear propelled subs the hue and cry from the "Anti everything military" crowd and the budding environmental movement shtyecanned the idea - that's why we have the current ones.
Spencer100 said:If Trump wins again in 2020. You could wrap a SSN buy/lease from EB/HHI, A F-35 buy from Lockheed, a VIP/refueler/P-8 buy from Boeing with weapons and sensors and NORAD update from Raytheon. You got a deal! Trump would move heaven and earth for that deal. Hell put a couple of trucks from Navistar in too. Defense purchasing done for the decade lol. Plus very US defense contractor going to bat for you. Canada would hit all the targets. Plus you would be buying this over a very long period time. So you may not even get to the 2% GDP spend but Trump would be very happy and not bring it up again. Say the buy is 60 to 70 Billion over 25 years Canada would get twice amount in political capital. But in the end you get some very impressive kit.
But Ottawa does not think this way. So oh well.
Dimsum said:But what are the Industrial Tech Benefits and Canadian jobs?
(only somewhat sarcastic)