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Replacing the Subs

It was the Conservatives in power who got lots of tech data on different nuke boats then cancelled the acquisition.

I don't think any Canadian government would be a trusted partner if they claimed to want nuclear subs, regardless of their party affiliation.

homer simpson GIF
 
I can't find the article I read the other day but it was a news report saying that the US is categorically stating that it will not offer nuclear sub technology to any other US allies other than Australia.
You'll find if you dig deeper you'll see the words "no plans" and "do not intend". Which is political wordspeak for "we reserve the right to change our mind at a later date". Not categorical.
 
A US hedge fund owns the largest newspaper chain in Canada and dictates editorial, if we want to talk about "foreign interference"...
 
A US hedge fund owns the largest newspaper chain in Canada and dictates editorial, if we want to talk about "foreign interference"...
Yup and that Hedgy is full on the ESG train. So its all good.

Chatham Asset and Anthony Melchiorre are fully on board with the program.
 
Because of the alleged interference by a rival in our electoral system, the CAF will be lucky to get an HB pencil from the US military.
I wouldn't be so sure of that.

Boeing is still pitching the P-8. We're still getting F-35s. etc etc.
 
A 2H pencil then? 😉
I to believe the underlying think there

But in truth their political class has been undermined by China also. The Biden family, Swallwell etc.

Also there are still some grown ups in the US and CDN forces that trust each other.

But I do believe we are losing some of the special trust we have enjoyed for decades.
 
I to believe the underlying think there

But in truth their political class has been undermined by China also. The Biden family, Swallwell etc.

Also there are still some grown ups in the US and CDN forces that trust each other.

But I do believe we are losing some of the special trust we have enjoyed for decades.
Special trust swings back and forth with every election and every foreign affairs difference. You can easily look at PM to President relationships that change things one way or the other. Mulrony and Regan as an example of a great one. Pearson and Johnson was one that was not good.
 
Special trust swings back and forth with every election and every foreign affairs difference. You can easily look at PM to President relationships that change things one way or the other. Mulrony and Regan as an example of a great one. Pearson and Johnson was one that was not good.
Or Trudeau Sr, and well anyone, plus Trudeau Jr and Trump…
Admittedly Trump and rest of world could also be noted.
 
Special trust swings back and forth with every election and every foreign affairs difference. You can easily look at PM to President relationships that change things one way or the other. Mulrony and Regan as an example of a great one. Pearson and Johnson was one that was not good.
So basically from Pearson-Johnson straight through PET until Mulroney in 1984 the relationship was not good. So about 20-odd yrs of crappy relations, excluding the brief minority of Joe Clark, which gained lasting frame and gratitude in the US for sheltering some Americans in Tehran. Notice a trend of which party here in Canada has typically had crappy relations with the Americans over the last 50yrs overall?
 
So basically from Pearson-Johnson straight through PET until Mulroney in 1984 the relationship was not good. So about 20-odd yrs of crappy relations, excluding the brief minority of Joe Clark, which gained lasting frame and gratitude in the US for sheltering some Americans in Tehran. Notice a trend of which party here in Canada has typically had crappy relations with the Americans over the last 50yrs overall?
Let’s not forget the worst relationship of all…Diefenbaker and Kennedy (not to mention Diefenbaker and just about everybody else).
 
So basically from Pearson-Johnson straight through PET until Mulroney in 1984 the relationship was not good. So about 20-odd yrs of crappy relations, excluding the brief minority of Joe Clark, which gained lasting frame and gratitude in the US for sheltering some Americans in Tehran. Notice a trend of which party here in Canada has typically had crappy relations with the Americans over the last 50yrs overall?
So I've said this before in other threads. Canadians (Some not all) have a massive ego when it comes to their so called "superiority" over Americans. Couple that with their massive feelings of inferiority.....

That MP that stomped on a doll of President GW Bush comes to mind.
 
Interesting article


White Whale.

I hope the enemy sub hunters don't have a Captain named Ahab....
 
Interesting article

USB-C or Lightening chargers?
 
Once again Canada's left out of a major multi-national defence agreement...

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Home»News»France Joins AUKUS Submarine Program
France ids set to join the AUKUS Submarine program
The AUKUS program will provide new submarines for the Royal Australian Navy, Royal Navy and French Navy (Marine Nationale)

France Joins AUKUS Submarine Program​

Under extended plans, France will join the AUKUS submarine program. This will see advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines built for Australia, United Kingdom and France. The United States is also providing key elements, including interim submarines for the Royal Australian Navy.​

Naval News Staff 01 Apr 2023
The French government has joined the previously trinational AUKUS submarine program. Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States are already involved in the 368 billion dollar project. The plan is to build and deliver a new class of nuclear-powered attack submarine for the respective navies. Now the French Navy (Marine Nationale) could receive up to four submarines under the plans.

The AUKUS submarine deal was announced in a joint session by British, the American and Australian leaders on September 18 2021. A follow-up announcement on March 13 2023 confirmed that the British SSN(R) program would form the basis of the AUKUS design. It is unclear whether the French boats will be exactly like their Anglo-Saxon counterparts, or slightly slimmer.

Design Influences​

There were already indications that this new partnership was imminent. It may explain why some official images of the then-called AUKUS submarine, released March 14, appear to show it with a French style sail. The sail depicted closely resembled the Barracuda class submarine which is now entering service with the French Navy.

In anticipation of cost overruns with the interior design of the crew accommodation and galley spaces, the submarines will be built for-but-not-with (FBNW) torpedo tubes. The new arrangement could save millions in operating costs. This is according to an anonymous source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.

The torpedo tube situation would not be permeant. “In the event of increased tensions or the outbreak of hostilities” the source added “the submarines could be rebuilt with torpedo tubes in just a matter of years”. It should be remembered that a 4 year overhaul is considered short in submarine terms. Especially in Canada.

The submarine service remains silent on the new deal.

Joint Construction Key To Success​

It is understood that the submarines will be built in a new facility exactly halfway between Southampton and Cherbourg. The latter is the home of French submarine building. Such a political decision was widely expected. It is the hallmark of international collaborations in the defense arena. Australia’s submarines will be built locally in Australian yards, and assembled in France and the United Kingdom. The completed submarines will then be shipped by rail via the Suez Canal to Australia.

The upgraded program will be renamed FUKUS after France joins. Following the expected formal announcement, the submerge à trois will become a submerge à quatre. Boris Johnson, who was among the leaders who originally announced the AUKUS program, is said to be keen to join the celebrations. A Downing Street spokesperson has preemptively denied the existence of the planned catered business meetings.

It is understood that Canada will not be allowed to join FUKUS for common decency reasons.
 
Interesting article

The Hakugei is actually the fourth Japanese submarine to use lithium batteries following the last two Soryu submarines Oryu and Toryu and the first of the Taigei class the Taigei.
 
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