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Need to watch more CNN, they're currently burning/looting Portland and Minneapolis. Oh wait, that's Antifa.I had read of Proud Boys, but had no idea there were so many others.
Need to watch more CNN, they're currently burning/looting Portland and Minneapolis. Oh wait, that's Antifa.I had read of Proud Boys, but had no idea there were so many others.
Something out in the past few weeks from NYPD (source)
I have read of Proud Boys. Was not aware there were so many others.Recent high-profile mass-casualty attacks in the West have demonstrated the enduring threat posed by a wide range of racially/ethnically motivated violent extremists and conspiracy-driven malicious actors, including those inspired by far-right, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist worldviews. Due to this concerning trend, the NYPD Intelligence Bureau advises law enforcement to maintain awareness of key symbols, icons, and graphics associated with or appropriated by domestic violent extremist movements that- in some cases were observed during the January 6 deadly and destructive riot at the U.S. Capitol.
In the age of the internet and social media, it's pretty easy to "create a group" with some imagery. I seriously doubt any of these groups have any large numbers.
I had read of Proud Boys, but had no idea there were so many others.
Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people and injured more than 600 others. Scale/scope does not matter when intent is evil.In the age of the internet and social media, it's pretty easy to "create a group" with some imagery. I seriously doubt any of these groups have any large numbers.
Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people and injured more than 600 others. Scale/scope does not matter when intent is evil.
Lone wolf attacks are quite catastrophic - the terrorist doesn't confide to anyone what his plans are and when they strike its a surprise. When the investigators look into the background its generally found these individuals were a bit "Off".Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people and injured more than 600 others. Scale/scope does not matter when intent is evil.
I was solely commenting on why there might be so many groups, in response to MarioMike's surprise at how many there were.Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people and injured more than 600 others. Scale/scope does not matter when intent is evil.
I was solely commenting on why there might be so many groups, in response to MarioMike's surprise at how many there were.
I made no commentary on whether scale/scope mattered or not.
Wait a minute - no Spanish Inquisition? Nobody expects those guys...This is illustrative of the current situation
So if someone on the far right goes off, they are far more competent and dangerous then their lesser learned counterparts on the far Left?Lone wolf attacks are quite catastrophic - the terrorist doesn't confide to anyone what his plans are and when they strike its a surprise. When the investigators look into the background its generally found these individuals were a bit "Off".
I would suggest there’s an increased likelihood that someone of far right persuasion may have served in the military and learned some skills conducive to the execution of political violence. Those with far left views are probably less likely to have military service. The entire raisin d’être of a military is to kill people and break their shit in the defense of the national interest, under the lawful direction of the civil authority. So, if one has learned those skills, and then ditches the ‘lawful direction of the civil authority’ constraint in order to serve some other imagined ‘national interest’ (however ‘nation’ ends up being defined), then yeah, far right extremists may present a greater real threat.So if someone on the far right goes off, they are far more competent and dangerous then their lesser learned counterparts on the far Left?
Meh. No-one can beat the lefties when they get worked up enough. FLQ, RAF, Red Brigades.
Meh. No-one can beat the lefties when they get worked up enough. FLQ, RAF, Red Brigades.
You give them too much credit. But then, particularly over here in insulated (from day to day European news) North America, wedon'tdidn't regularly hear about right wing (fascist, neo-fascist, good old fashioned NAZI . . .) murder and mayhem in Germany, Italy, France et al from the 60s onward. The RAF and Red Brigades were real threats to us, the cold warriors who lived over there, so when they made the news (or int and counter-int summaries) we noticed them and cursed the "fucking commies". However, some of the more horrendous politically (or racially) motivated murders and bombings were from the far right. But they didn't usually pay much attention to foreign (NATO) militaries; after all, we fit into their image of conservatism.
The FLQ, as troublesome as they were in Canada, were amateurs compared to European terrorists (of any stripe) of the same vintage.
Yup. And check out Belgium and France.Having lived in the UK during the 80s you were never really considered 'safe', especially if you were in the military, as the IRA had a healthy bombing campaign going on in mainland Britain. Looking under your car was a pretty routine 'drill'.
Compared with today, though, it seems a relatively less chaotic time given the rise of militant Islam and the random knifing outbreaks, and other random attacks. Those guys don't call in warnings to the police. I also see armed sentries accompanying marching troops in public occasionally, on the news etc, which is a good indication of the threat levels.
Having lived in the UK during the 80s you were never really considered 'safe', especially if you were in the military . . .
Well played sir!I was responding to the reference made about the most noted European terrorist organizations during that time when we were stationed in Germany. I didn't then and probably still don't think of the Britons as European. If they were proper Europeans they would drive on the right side of the road.
There were quite different attitudes about security among the different NATO forces. We were probably the most relaxed (with some exceptions when the world situation or local activities dictated a more robust response), but then "we're Canadians, we're inoffensive and everybody likes us". The Brits, having been attacked on the continent a few times by the IRA, had a healthy respect to man front gates and perimeter fences with armed soldiers. The Americans, well, they're Americans and their military were an easily identifiable target anywhere in the world.
I was responding to the reference made about the most noted European terrorist organizations during that time when we were stationed in Germany. I didn't then and probably still don't think of the Britons as European. If they were proper Europeans they would drive on the right side of the road.
There were quite different attitudes about security among the different NATO forces. We were probably the most relaxed (with some exceptions when the world situation or local activities dictated a more robust response), but then "we're Canadians, we're inoffensive and everybody likes us". The Brits, having been attacked on the continent a few times by the IRA, had a healthy respect to man front gates and perimeter fences with armed soldiers. The Americans, well, they're Americans and their military were an easily identifiable target anywhere in the world.