Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition

[Kat Stevens]

https://www.isdglobal.org/programmes/research-insight/

Click on the "issues" tab. Far right prominently displayed. Nothing about far left. Nothing. Weird, huh?

 

[Weinie]

https://www.isdglobal.org/programmes/research-insight/

Click on the "issues" tab. Far right prominently displayed. Nothing about far left. Nothing. Weird, huh?

It's called situating and controlling the narrative. The far left is a myth, the far right is legion.

 

[OceanBonfire]

US soldier plotted with Satanic neo-Nazis to ambush his own unit overseas, feds say

A U.S. soldier assigned to an installation in Europe has been charged with trying to plan a deadly ambush on members of his own unit during an upcoming deployment with the help of an “occult-based neo-Nazi” group known as the “Order of the Nine Angles,” according to an indictment unsealed Monday.

Pvt. Ethan P. Melzer, 22, confessed to plotting what he intended to be a mass casualty attack during an interview with U.S. agents on May 30, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York.

Melzer was arrested on June 10 by the FBI. During the interview, Melzer called himself a traitor against the United States and admitted that he intended to cause as many deaths among his fellow service members as possible, according to the indictment.

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https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/06/22/us-soldier-plotted-with-satanic-neo-nazis-to-ambush-his-own-unit-overseas-feds-say/

 

[brihard]

It's called situating and controlling the narrative. The far left is a myth, the far right is legion.

Probably more a matter of who's actually dropping bodies and who isn't. The death toll in North America is fairly heavily stacked towards far right terrorism versus far left in the past few decades.

 

[Brad Sallows]

That which is seen, and that which is unseen.

We can only count the bodies resulting from direct, manifest attacks.  There is nothing wrong with utilitarian calculations - very fashionable, these days - but those making them don't get to ignore the parts they find hard to calculate.

Right-wing extremism mostly has to hide in the shadows and is almost universally denounced when it emerges (even if the denunciations are insufficiently emphatic to satisfy some).  Left-wing extremism is out there in the open, causing a lot of damage and ruining a lot of lives, often receiving favourable mainstream political and media coverage.

Right-wing extremism might be more harmful/costly, but we don't "know" it.

I'm confident that right-wing extremism passed its high watermark long ago and is on its way down.  Left-wing extremism is not under control.

 

[OceanBonfire]

German police raid banned far-right group in 4 states

German police conducted raids Tuesday on sites linked to a far-right group after the country's top security official deemed it extremist

Interior Minister Horst Seehofer banned the group Nordadler, which means ‘Northern Eagle,’ early Tuesday. His office said the police raids were carried out in four German states.

It said the group acted mainly online, spreading far-right extremist ideology and anti-Semitism.

Authorities say Northern Eagle members see themselves as adherents of Nazi leader Adolf Hitler and had planned to establish a rural community with people who shared their views.

The group uses social media channels such as Telegram, Instagram and Discord to promote its ideology, win new members and condone attacks such as the anti-Semitic shooting at a synagogue in Halle last year.

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https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/german-police-raid-banned-group-states-71398201

https://apnews.com/10a2111027787d02b54ffafa3ccf44c9

 

[OceanBonfire]

Far-right groups like the “Boogaloo” and “O9A” continue to attract troops and veterans

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Though largely brushed off by veterans and service members as a group of has-beens and wannabes, the Boogaloo archetype that emerged in memes in the past decade has taken hold in the violent-extremist corners of the internet.

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As for whether or why those ideas appeal to service members or veterans, at least compared to the general public or to other professional backgrounds, Jones was not ready to make a determination.

"Veterans do pose a potential threat if and when they radicalize, because they oftentimes have access to - whether it’s weapons, or particularly the know-how to use them," including firearms and improvised explosive devices, he said.

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https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/06/23/far-right-groups-like-the-boogaloo-and-o9a-continue-to-attract-troops-and-veterans/

 

[Weinie]

Probably more a matter of who's actually dropping bodies and who isn't. The death toll in North America is fairly heavily stacked towards far right terrorism versus far left in the past few decades.

You are missing the point.

 

[brihard]

You are missing the point.

I dunno, from where I sit professionally, it's a highly relevant consideration when quantifying danger.

 

[OceanBonfire]

'Escalating' far-right violence in U.S. to pose greatest terrorist threat: experts

Far-right extremism is by far the most common ideology behind terrorist incidents in the United States, according to a new analysis

In a report released last week, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) analyzed 25 years of domestic terrorism incidents, finding that "right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994," outpacing terrorist acts by all other sources such as "far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda."

Furthermore, the report found that occurrences of these right-wing attacks have since grown significantly in the past six years, with far-right extremists perpetrating two-thirds of attacks and plots in 2019, and 90 per cent of all incidents between Jan. 1 and May 8 in 2020.

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https://globalnews.ca/news/7116354/far-right-violence-america-terrorism-threat/

 

[Jarnhamar]

Has there been any Far-right extremists in the US who have managed to successfully drive off local police forces from government property, set up defensive perimeters with armed guards and declare the territory a sovereign state?

 

[FJAG]

Has there been any Far-right extremists in the US who have managed to successfully drive off local police forces from government property, set up defensive perimeters with armed guards and declare the territory a sovereign state?

Lots. You're just being a tad narrow when you say sovereign state. Most simply say that the US has no jurisdiction over them and whatever they want to do which is pretty much the same thing as declaring a sovereign state. It's just that Lefties revel on putting labels on things and making fancy slogans while Righties worry more about where there next bottle of Hoppe's is coming from.

Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

and here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Freemen

And Ruby Ridge and Waco and ... and

and then follow the various links. There are too many to list.

Don't forget. Seattle isn't over yet.

:worms:

 

[Jarnhamar]

Lots. You're just being a tad narrow when you say sovereign state. Most simply say that the US has no jurisdiction over them and whatever they want to do which is pretty much the same thing as declaring a sovereign state. It's just that Lefties revel on putting labels on things and making fancy slogans while Righties worry more about where there next bottle of Hoppe's is coming from.

Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

and here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Freemen

And Ruby Ridge and Waco and ... and

and then follow the various links. There are too many to list.

Don't forget. Seattle isn't over yet.

:worms:

I immediately thought about those. I don't believe in any of those examples police officers were essentially pushed out of their own police stations and the groups in question set up shop in the middle of an American city on public property. In all of those examples it was on their own private property, or am I wrong?

I feel like there's a difference between private property and government/public property.

 

[FJAG]

I immediately thought about those. I don't believe in any of those examples police officers were essentially pushed out of their own police stations and the groups in question set up shop in the middle of an American city on public property. In all of those examples it was on their own private property, or am I wrong?

I feel like there's a difference between private property and government/public property.

Bundy was Federal Land. He'd been renting it for grazing then fees were changed and he decided that he could use "public land" as if it were his own. As part of this clown show they also "occupied" the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters near Burns, Oregon.

I say it again. You're splitting hairs on minor issues here. What you are looking at in general are people who defy legal authorities in order to have things their own way. IMHO there is very little difference between left-wing morons and right-wing morons. They both insist that the world revolve around them and whatever beliefs they may have notwithstanding the established order of things. Up to this point in time in America, right-wing morons are seen as a much greater threat to society and law-enforcement than left-wing ones. According to the FBI domestic terrorism is on the rise in the US:

Terror attacks carried out by white supremacists and other domestic extremists have been on the rise in recent years. ... Its underlying drivers range from white supremacy to anti-Semitism to Islamophobia.

https://www.voanews.com/usa/2019-deadliest-year-domestic-terrorism-says-fbi-director

So far, Antifa and its ilk are a mere inconvenience to law enforcement albeit a definite trigger for the right. Let's face it, Antifa will have to go a long way to beat Timothy McVeigh's body count in Oklahoma.

:stirpot:

 

[Jarnhamar]

[quote author=FJAG]You're splitting hairs on minor issues here.[/quote]
That could very well be the case.

I agree there's very little difference between left-wing and right-right with the right wing as having a higher "kill count" than the left.
They're equally shit in my books.

Right wing morons are seen as a greater threat, that's fair.

I think the ability to cordon off a section of down town Ottawa and remain largely uncontested (so far) by police as more significant than cordoning off a farm or tract of land west of Wainwright Alberta. (parallels of course to Seattle vs rural Nevada)

What would have happened if a neo-nazi group condoned off a half dozen city blocks in a major US city?

 

[FJAG]

That could very well be the case.

I agree there's very little difference between left-wing and right-right with the right wing as having a higher "kill count" than the left.
They're equally crap in my books.

Right wing morons are seen as a greater threat, that's fair.

I think the ability to cordon off a section of down town Ottawa and remain largely uncontested (so far) by police as more significant than cordoning off a farm or tract of land west of Wainwright Alberta. (parallels of course to Seattle vs rural Nevada)

What would have happened if a neo-nazi group condoned off a half dozen city blocks in a major US city?

We're very much on the same page on almost everything here.

Where we diverge a bit is on the tactics that the City of Seattle is using in simply letting this thing burn itself out or down before stepping in. I know similar tactics are used in other areas: for example British police when dealing/not dealing with Gypsy Travellers squatting on public and private lands; German police dealing/not dealing with squatters and anarchists in abandoned apartment buildings and the like. Those actually bother me more than Seattle because they seem to be systemic and could use some making of examples pour encourager les autres while Seattle is more a one-of at this point.

So far Seattle is far from a storming of the Bastille or Winter Palace type of socialist revolution. I can afford to chill over this one.

:cheers:

 

[mariomike]

What would have happened if a neo-nazi group condoned off a half dozen city blocks in a major US city?

When have Nazis ever marched "in a major US city" without getting their asses kicked? 

Last time that happened was 1939.

 

[Blackadder1916]

When have Nazis ever paraded "in a major US city" without getting their asses kicked? 

East 86th St. New York City, October 30, 1939

Or Madison Square Gardens February 20, 1939

It's not all wishful thinking like . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCtvuIWvnEw

 

[Brad Sallows]

>I can afford to chill over this one.

The people who live and work in the "occupied" zones, not so much.  It's easy to be cavalier with someone else's rights and livelihood.

 

[ModlrMike]

Winnipegger trying to buy chemical weapon is caught by undercover FBI agent

Sijie Liu, 37, used the dark web to order toxin, tried to pick it up in Pembina, N.D.

A Winnipeg woman has been sentenced to six years in jail after entering the United States to purchase a chemical weapon.
Sijie Liu, 37, pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court earlier this month to a charge of knowingly obtaining a chemical weapon and threatening to use it.

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