Reconstitution

[Remius]

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

CAF recruiting numbers tend to fall into the middle category.

Philosophical question: is someone an applicant when they sign a paper saying they are interested? Or should they only be counted as an applicant once they provide the required supporting documents? Which definition you choose has major implications for how you need to interpret the data.

We used to define them as prospects vs applicants.

 

[mariomike]

I suspect a lot of police, and other similar agencies, offloaded testing like PT

Where I worked, candidates must sucessfully complete The Ottawa Paramedic Physical Ability Test (OPPAT) evaluation before their application can move forward in the recruiting process.

Successful OPPAT evaluation.
Completed prior to Stage 3 (dated within 6 months of driving date); exempt if currently employed with an Ontario municipal ambulance service

About OPPAT – Ottawa Paramedic Physical Abilities Test

specialprojects.wlu.ca

Saw the video. Looks like a "no fail" physical ability test.

Legally defensible

is legally defensible, wherein the OPPAT was developed based on the best practice template emerging from the seminal 1999 Meiorin Supreme Court Case

Regarding that Supreme Court case,

Supreme Court orders female firefighter rehired​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/supreme-court-orders-female-firefighter-rehired-1.173366

British Columbia (Public Service Employee Relations Commission) v British Columbia Government Service Employees' Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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[Furniture]

Where I worked, candidates must sucessfully complete The Ottawa Paramedic Physical Ability Test (OPPAT) evaluation before their application can move forward in the recruiting process.

About OPPAT – Ottawa Paramedic Physical Abilities Test

specialprojects.wlu.ca

Saw the video. Looks like a "no fail" physical ability test.





Regarding that Supreme Court case,

Supreme Court orders female firefighter rehired​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/supreme-court-orders-female-firefighter-rehired-1.173366

British Columbia (Public Service Employee Relations Commission) v British Columbia Government Service Employees' Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Makes sense, it is a job that requires a minimum level of fitness.

The problem isn't that there is a test, it's the way the testing is done for some jobs.

Making a person pay, just to apply to maybe get a job, is a great way to encourage people to look elsewhere. That made sense at one time, we are likely a decade or so past the point that it made sense though.

 

[mariomike]

Making a person pay, just to apply to maybe get a job, is a great way to encourage people to look elsewhere.

Right.

It is not cheap. To maybe get a job.

( Even if you are accepted into the program, and graduate, there is no guarantee of a job offer from a municipality in Ontario. )

My old college ( Humber ) charges,

Semester 1 $1,992.62

Semester 2 $1,992.62

Semester 3 $3,035.38

Semester 4 $1,992.62

Total: $9,013.24

Additional Costs:

$1,000 - uniforms and other medical supplies;

$800 - books;

$640 - driver education fee (for Year 2);

$400 - CEPCP Educational Certification fee for students placed with York Region.

Total: $2,840.00

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[mariomike]

The problem isn't that there is a test, it's the way the testing is done for some jobs.

Saw the video. Looks like a "no fail".