We used to define them as prospects vs applicants.
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Where I worked, candidates must sucessfully complete The Ottawa Paramedic Physical Ability Test (OPPAT) evaluation before their application can move forward in the recruiting process.
About OPPAT – Ottawa Paramedic Physical Abilities Test
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Saw the video. Looks like a "no fail" physical ability test.
Regarding that Supreme Court case,
Supreme Court orders female firefighter rehired
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Makes sense, it is a job that requires a minimum level of fitness.Where I worked, candidates must sucessfully complete The Ottawa Paramedic Physical Ability Test (OPPAT) evaluation before their application can move forward in the recruiting process.
About OPPAT – Ottawa Paramedic Physical Abilities Test
Saw the video. Looks like a "no fail" physical ability test.
Regarding that Supreme Court case,
Supreme Court orders female firefighter rehired
The problem isn't that there is a test, it's the way the testing is done for some jobs.
Making a person pay, just to apply to maybe get a job, is a great way to encourage people to look elsewhere. That made sense at one time, we are likely a decade or so past the point that it made sense though.
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Right.
It is not cheap. To maybe get a job.
( Even if you are accepted into the program, and graduate, there is no guarantee of a job offer from a municipality in Ontario. )
My old college ( Humber ) charges,
Semester 1 $1,992.62
Semester 2 $1,992.62
Semester 3 $3,035.38
Semester 4 $1,992.62
Total: $9,013.24
Additional Costs:
$1,000 - uniforms and other medical supplies;
$800 - books;
$640 - driver education fee (for Year 2);
$400 - CEPCP Educational Certification fee for students placed with York Region.
Total: $2,840.00
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Saw the video. Looks like a "no fail".
daftandbarmy
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FWIW... Col Redman (retd).
He's a really good speaker IMHO...
Decades of government neglect and underfunding have left the Canadian Armed Forces a depleted, demoralized and nearly shattered force. The country is increasingly being ignored or even shunned by its traditional allies at a time when an increasingly dangerous world poses escalating national security risks. Canada must urgently rethink and rebuild its military to meet these challenges, safeguard its sovereignty and fulfill its obligations on the world stage, writes David Redman. In this clear-eyed assessment, the CAF veteran and crisis management expert sets out a pathway to renewal, explaining what the armed forces need to rebuild and how Canada’s political leaders – if they have the will and the intelligence – can make it happen.
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He's a really good speaker IMHO...
Unfit for Duty: It is Time to Rebuild the Canadian Armed Forces
Decades of government neglect and underfunding have left the Canadian Armed Forces a depleted, demoralized and nearly shattered force. The country is increasingly being ignored or even shunned by its traditional allies at a time when an increasingly dangerous world poses escalating national security risks. Canada must urgently rethink and rebuild its military to meet these challenges, safeguard its sovereignty and fulfill its obligations on the world stage, writes David Redman. In this clear-eyed assessment, the CAF veteran and crisis management expert sets out a pathway to renewal, explaining what the armed forces need to rebuild and how Canada’s political leaders – if they have the will and the intelligence – can make it happen.
Unfit for Duty: It is Time to Rebuild the Canadian Armed Forces | C2C Journal
Decades of government neglect and underfunding have left the Canadian Armed Forces a depleted, demoralized and nearly shattered force. The country is increasingly being ignored or even shunned by its traditional allies at a time when an increasingly dangerous world poses escalating national...
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And likely like a lot of emergency services does not have an annual qualification. Do it once then that is it. Maybe a few times for promotions maybe?
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The single greatest problem that His Majesty's Canadian Armed Forces must overcome is a peninsula in Kingston.
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Honestly, I no longer think this is the case. RMC is an expensive, third-rate university that cosplays as a military college. The product received since COVID is essentially a DEO with some extea steps.
I think out biggest problem now is that the Ottawa integration of CAF into DND has led to an almost Animal Farm-esque confusion of who is pig (CAF) and who is man (DND).
If most of our senior leaders are thinking about what is best for the DM/MND, they're no longer working for the CAF's best interests.
If its anything, Reconstitution is failing because of the "Defence Team" concept.
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That 'third-rate university that cosplays as a military college" produces a disproportionate amount of the senior leadership of the CAF. In private industry, if one supplier continually provides parts that fail, you change suppliers.
If the CAF's institutional leadership is failing, then we need to see how we develop that leadership. RMC is one nexus; CFC and the lack of a valid selection model for JCSP and NSP is another.
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A significant portion of 60 Moodie's problems start on the peninsula.
Two birds, one stone.
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Meh.
You could shut down RMC tomorrow and that won’t change the disdain for, not the influence over, that the Four Corners have on DND/CAF. I think the ‘improvement’ you believe would take place, never would.
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If you worked 9-1-1 operations 40 hours a week, you were considered fit for duty.
If you were away from 9-1-1 operations for longer than three months, you had to go through a medical and fitness evaluation.
Also, classroom refresher training. Followed by on the street preceptorship with a Field Training Officer ( FTO ).
Depending on one's POV, some might have returned to 9-1-1 operations just before their three months was up to avoid the above?
It was pretty much a no-fail. Although, perhaps some did not want to pass?
There was no physical evaluation for promotion, as lifting and carrying people was not part of their job description.
QV
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To reconstitute, the CAF is going to need to up it's personal pride and moral. Nobody wants to join a toxic outfit.
This certainly doesn't help, but is a gigantic wake up call.
Edit link - to not break forum rules. Was an article about obesity in the CAF.
This certainly doesn't help, but is a gigantic wake up call.
Edit link - to not break forum rules. Was an article about obesity in the CAF.
foresterab
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Wildfire is annual fitness test - required for duty
Qualifications at least in my province expire after 5 years...but are renewed as long as you keep deploying in that role (i.e. show currency in knowledge). Some roles like air attack officers have to complete annual qualification checks. Fire Investigations require ongoing constant training.
Some aspects like criminal background checks/academic checks are usually only when applying for new jobs/promotions.
I know this is separate from the CAF but also makes me think of the different CAF roles - pilots for example I can see needing more annual qualifications - especially multi-airframe pilots - than a clerk who has worked full time in the role all year. So like my agency it quickly becomes a question of what is the minimum training needed while accepting a large degree of churn especially at entry positions, what is the ongoing training needed for career/function progression, and what is your measure of success.
Quirky
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I think it's the FORCE test that uses waist size; in theory I would have to have a 29" waist to get max 'points'. I didn't have a 29" waist when I was 18, doing long distance running, playing rugby, and landscaping and skinny AF (with 32" hips).
BMI, waist measurements etc are the kind of quick and dirty indicators that may be related to being overweight if you are fat, but if they wanted to do it properly they would just measure actual body fat composition. Even then genetically some people carry more or less, regardless of how fit they actually are. There are plenty of people who finish Ironman races that aren't olympians but would be classified as overweight based on their waist. I'm still not really sure why it's part of the FORCE test, as it was supposed to be a functional test, but that can be the difference between some people making silver or platinum.
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Being overweight only becomes a problem when your chronic issues are a result of obesity. Bad knees, hips, back....diabetes? Probably the 50-60 extra pounds people are carrying around. I doubt that type of data is out there for public consumption.
