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Rae won't say so out loud, but he aches to be PM

I notice the Young Dauphin isn't getting much mention here (eve though he was the cover story of a recent Maclean's magazine recently suggesting that he, indeed become the next leader of the LPC).

Exposure to the real world and especially the stupid gaffe about supporting Quebec separation have probably driven a stake through the heart of that idea. The media and true believers will keep the flame alive, though...
 
Lawrence Martin is, I think, correct in his assertions, in this column, which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions oft he Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail, that:

1. Bob Rae is not the right man to lead a Liberal Party that is in need of renewal; and

2. Selecting Justin Trudeau to lead the party would be a gift to Stephen Harper's Conservatives.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/justin-trudeau-is-the-best-hope-for-liberals-and-conservatives/article4249423/
Justin Trudeau is the best hope for Liberals – and Conservatives

LAWRENCE MARTIN

The Globe and Mail
Published Tuesday, Jun. 12 2012

Bob Rae will be given the go-ahead to run when Liberals set their leadership convention rules Wednesday. Then the great guessing game will commence. Will Justin Trudeau, who polls show to be clearly the most popular Liberal in the country, enter the race?

As of the moment, his answer is no, not this time around. “I am under a lot of pressure to reconsider,” he told a Winnipeg audience Sunday. “For now, I haven’t.”

But the pressure will intensify. Not this time? That sounds like next time. But there’s the counterargument. Given the state of the party, given that progressive voters could well flock to the NDP as the only hope to stop Stephen Harper, will there be a realistic next time? Or will the Grits be too far down to rise again – even under a standard-bearer with the Trudeau name.

Seasoned pro Bob Rae is a good bet to win the leadership if Justin Trudeau stays out. But he’s in his 60s and Liberals are looking for renewal. There’s a generation out there – students, greenies, large numbers chafing at social inequality – waiting to be tapped. The current party leaders are all of the post-50 set. They aren’t doing much tapping.

Mr. Trudeau is tantalizing, but whether he is galvanizing is another question. His entry in the race would set fire to Canadian politics. It would bring forward new forces. It would, given Pierre Trudeau’s legacy, polarize the debate even more so than it is already polarized. It would scare New Democrats, especially given Mr. Trudeau’s Quebec base. It would vault the Liberal contest into prime time for a year to come. And here’s another thing. It would be a welcome development for the Harper Conservatives.

Their interest is in keeping the progressive side of the political spectrum as divided as possible. Justin Trudeau is their best hope of doing that. In hoisting Liberal fortunes, he could generate an even split in support between Grits and New Democrats.

His entry would rouse the Conservative base like it has rarely been roused before. Right-siders go into spasms at the mention of the Trudeau name. Their attitude was on display when Justin won the charity boxing match. Nah, they whined, it didn’t take much courage to do it – as if Justin being splattered all over the ring wouldn’t have been a brutal humiliation for the Trudeau name. No, it didn’t show he was as much the father’s son as the mother’s. Nah, it wasn’t a defining moment, as if the man-in-the-ring photo wouldn’t accompany Trudeau media clips by the score.

Pierre Trudeau beat back the right with wit and condescension, intelligence and good fortune. But with Stephen Harper as bulldozer operator, Canadian conservatism has much more power than it did back in those times.

Franklin Roosevelt once said of his opponents: “They are unanimous in their hate for me – and I welcome their hatred.” Justin Trudeau may have the heady combination of external charisma and internal strength, but we don’t know whether he has the discipline, the knowledge, the moxie to face down the mega-ton of malice that would come his way.

He would first have to win the Liberal race, which would be no sure thing. But in the end, given Mr. Rae’s inability to increase the Liberals’ poll standing and given the priority of party renewal, the Liberals would likely gamble on a new face.

Star power is in short supply at the federal level. The latest Ipsos-Reid poll shows Mr. Harper with a 28 per cent positive-impression rate and 48 per cent negative. NDP leader Tom Mulcair was 19 per cent positive and 20 per cent negative. On the positive-impression side for the Grits, Mr. Rae received 18 per cent, Mr. Trudeau 35 per cent.

The combination of name and all-star aura make him the best hope for a Liberal Party revival. But his ascendancy would come at the expense of the NDP. Canadian progressives – until such time as a merger happens – would still be in a bind.


I am on record as recommending, with the best will in he world, that the Liberals should select a young, telegenic French Canadian leader; I just think that Justin Trudeau is the wrong guy - essentially for the reasons Martin gives: "His entry would rouse the Conservative base" and we must doubt "whether he has the discipline, the knowledge, the moxie to face down the mega-ton of malice that would come his way."

The Liberals need renewal, not a return to the 1960s and '70s, which is what both Rae and Trudeau offer. The famous Kingston Conference, sponsored by Lester Pearson and facilitated by Tom Kent, was a huge but, eventually, worthwhile (politically) risk. The pale imitation Ignatieff hosted in 2009 just recycled the '60s and '70s. The Liberals must recognize that Stephen Harper is reshaping Canada - partially because many (most?) Canadians recognize that the Trudeau prescriptions from the 1970s (economic, social and strategic) did not accomplish what he suggested they would or could. The country is looking for new directions; Canadians are not persuaded that Stephen Harper offers the only, much less the best, choice; Thomas Mulcair will offer a clear vision, but it is being discredited in Europe as we speak; there is, there must be, something between Harper's small government conservatism (which is, really, old fashioned liberalism) and Mulcair's big government, tax/spend liberalism (which is really looking for a throwback to simpler times, as conservatives tend to do); the Liberal Party of Canada needs to develop and enunciate that position; I doubt either Rae or Trudeau can or will.
 
Liberal Party lurkers can flash this to LPCHQ

I have had the misfortune to see Justin Trudeau speak in person, his delivery was boring and his speech a rehash of stuff he must have learned at Uncle Fidel's knee. Outside of carfully scripted and managed media events  (where he can be made to look charismatic) I think you will discover a disaster waiting to happen. Couple that to the tendency to spout off ill informed comments like the one about supporting separatism because he doesn't like the current government's direction and even I'd make a better leader (and my political philosophy is about 180o from the LPC's).

So while the destruction of the LPC is probably Steven Harper and Thomas Mulcair's long game, the idea of Thomas Mulcair actually being PM is probably even more frightening. The fact the LPC dosn't have any bench strength to draw leadership candidates from isn't a hopeful sign; if their choices are really only Bob Rae and the Young Dauphin then the LPC will need a miracle to turn themselves around.
 
Justin does not have his father's intellectual capability or discipline.  I can't hold anyone in high regard, who holds a high regard of Justin and thinks he merits being leader of the LPC.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Justin does not have his father's intellectual capability or discipline.  I can't hold anyone in high regard, who holds a high regard of Justin and thinks he merits being leader of the LPC.

One of my bosses mentioned he liked PET....as we live in the West I told him that very few here share his view.  PET was despised and not liked.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Justin does not have his father's intellectual capability or discipline.  I can't hold anyone in high regard, who holds a high regard of Justin and thinks he merits being leader of the LPC.

His father didn't have his intellectual capacity either!
 
So, Rae won’t seek Liberal leadership, the Globe and Mail reports, saying “It hasn’t been an easy decision,” but “I think it’s best for the party and it’s a decision that I feel comfortable with.” (He should have said "it's a decision with which I feel comfortable" but, what the hell, good grammar never was a mandatory qualification for high elected office.)

In the Globe and Mail report (link above) John Ibbitson says:

By stepping aside from the contest, Mr. Rae has eliminated one possibility of a polarized race that could have led to increased factional bitterness after the result, whatever the result.

Others who are mulling leadership bids –  MPs Dominic Leblanc, Mac Garneau, David McGuinty, and former MPs Gerard Kennedy and Martha Hall Findlay, among others – will reconsider their positions, now that there is a much more even playing field in which a lesser name will have a better shot at capturing the leadership of the troubled third party.

But many who believe the Liberals are in danger of extinction unless they find someone who can galvanize progressive support in Quebec and Ontario will argue that Mr. Trudeau must now step forward, even though he has repeatedly said he is not planning to run.


If Justin Trudeau does decide to enter the lists the Conservatives will do their level best to humiliate and destroy him; they don't just want to see the last of the Liberals, they hate the late Pierre Trudeau; they hate everything for which he stood; they hate everything he said and did to Canadians (for Canadians, I guess, if you are a Trudeau fan); and they will relish the prospect of disposing of Pierre Trudeau's memory by consigning his son to ignoble defeat and to history's trash heap. It will be ugly.
 
Ooops! I guess he decided not to ache anymore. He ain't going to run no more, no more . . . at least for the leadership. Here is another take on his decision.

This story from the National Post's website is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provision of the Copyright Act.


Bob Rae won’t run for Liberal leadership as all eyes now turn to Justin Trudeau
Josh Visser  Jun 13, 2012 – 1:03 PM ET | Last Updated: Jun 13, 2012 1:12 PM ET

Bob Rae concludes with Shakespeare sonnet

The painful warrior famoused for fight,
After a thousand victories once foiled,
Is from the book of honour razed quite,
And all the rest forgot for which he toiled:
Then happy I, that loveand am beloved,
Where I may not remove nor be removed.
– William Shakespeare’s Sonnet 25

Ending months of speculation, Liberal interim leader Bob Rae says he will stick to his original pledge to not run for his party’s permanent leadership job.

“I’ve concluded that the way I can best serve my party is to not run for the permanent position,” he told reporters Wednesday.

“(The decision) didn’t come quickly as some as you will know for having watched me skate and then dance and then skate again through many scrums during scrums and individual interviews,” he told reporters.

Rae says he took the job with every intention of not running for the permanent job but as time went on more Liberals began asking him if he would consider running for leadership.

He said he’s been “wrestling” with the question for several months and made up his mind on the weekend.

But Rae’s interest in the permanent job came with a lot of criticism. His political opponents said he couldn’t be taken at his word, while some Liberal supporters thought it was time for the party to embrace someone with less political baggage.

While Rae said it was best for his party for him to not run for the permanent job, he did not explain why that might be so.

“I got a lot of support from the caucus in terms of considering to run for the permanent leadership but quite frankly, the best thing I can do is to continue my work as interim leader,” he said. “This is a time for renewal for the party.”

Possibly in an effort to end speculation before it had a chance to be written up on political blogs, Rae said his health and personal life was great. He also said his age — he’s 63 — was not preventing him from running, and added he was not retiring from politics.

“There’s going to be commentary on the age question, but I think that’s bullshit,” he said bluntly.

Rae admitted that he was not in an ideal political situation.

“Look, I would have liked to have won in 2006,” he said, referring to his eventual loss to Stephane Dion.

With Rae out, all eyes will likely turn to Quebec MP Justin Trudeau, who has repeatedly said he’s not ready to run for his party’s leadership. However, he is easily his party’s most recognizable MP after Rae and a recent Ipsos Reid poll suggested Canadians preferred him to other Liberal leadership contenders by a nearly two-to-one margin.

Other possible contenders include astronaut-turned-MP Marc Garneau, Ottawa MP David McGuinty (Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty’s brother), New Brunswick MP Dominic LeBlanc and one-time leadership candidate Gerard Kennedy.

Rae said his role in the race would be to be a “benign father figure” and he won’t be endorsing anyone.

With the Liberals running a distant third in the polls after the Conservatives and the NDP, there have been calls for the Grits to consider some sort of merger with the NDP. The proposal will likely be a significant issue in the Liberal leadership race.

NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair was asked about the proposition Wednesday, but said it was his mandate to unite all “progressives” under the NDP banner.

“I have absolutely no advice to give the Liberals on whom they pick as their leader,” Mulcair said in a scrum after a caucus meeting Wednesday.

Rae took the interim position after former leader Michael Ignatieff resigned following last May’s election disaster. Rae, a former NDP premier of Ontario, agreed to take the job on an interim basis while the party regrouped and started its search for the leader to carry it into the next election.

That condition was placed because as interim leader his prominence in the party could be seen as an unfair advantage if he was also running for the permanent job.

The Liberals are to hold a leadership vote at a convention that will occur between March and June of 2013.

In May, the Liberals’ national board approved a motion to allow non-party members to vote in the next leadership race. Any Canadian will be allowed to become a “supporter” — giving them the ability to vote — without having to pay any pesky membership fees.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
If Justin Trudeau does decide to enter the lists the Conservatives will do their level best to humiliate and destroy him; they don't just want to see the last of the Liberals, they hate the late Pierre Trudeau; they hate everything for which he stood; they hate everything he said and did to Canadians (for Canadians, I guess, if you are a Trudeau fan); and they will relish the prospect of disposing of Pierre Trudeau's memory by consigning his son to ignoble defeat and to history's trash heap. It will be ugly.

They will do their level best to humiliate and destroy anyone who steps up and becomes the liberal leader.
 
Crantor said:
They will do their level best to humiliate and destroy anyone who steps up and becomes the liberal leader.


Yes but Trudeau, IF he decides to offer himself as target sacrificial lamb leader will be special.
 
Maybe he's going back to Ontario politics. At least they elect him....they've seen the light....Hallelujah !!
 
GAP said:
Maybe he's going back to Ontario politics. At least they elect him....they've seen the light....Hallelujah !!

He could run for Mcguinty's seat in South Ottawa.
 
Crantor said:
He could run for Mcguinty's seat in South Ottawa.
I can't speak for the riding, but I think folks remember his days as Premier - and not with an eye to putting him back into the job.
 
milnews.ca said:
I can't speak for the riding, but I think folks remember his days as Premier - and not with an eye to putting him back into the job.

I was being sarcastic tbh.  It's viewed as a safe liberal seat but I'm not sure this time around.  The conservative candidate was pretty good last election.  I'm likely to vote against the liberals in the by-election.  If anything to send a message about the latest shenanigans.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
CBC News is saying, right now, that Bob Rae will announce his retirement as an MP "shortly." He has, apparently, scheduled a news conference for 1100 Hrs (Ottawa).

His local office/action centre is around the corner. To bad the he didn't hold it there. I could have wanderd over at lunch with a juice box.  >:D

....devote his time to First Nations issues
Yeah him and Theresa Spence should make the ultimate tag team.  ::)
 
Danjanou said:
Yeah him and Theresa Spence should make the ultimate tag team.  ::)

Hey!! Don't forget that Paul Martin and his supply of napkins has got their back!! That's gotta count for something.....anyone?.... :crickets:
 
Crantor said:
He could run for Mcguinty's seat in South Ottawa.

As an Ottawa South resident who has had to endure both McSquinty's for a number of years, I hope not.  Also having a monsterous extended family living in the riding definately helps with the campaigning/fundraising effort.
 
He could run for Mcguinty's seat in South Ottawa.


When a Liberal volunteer phones/canvasses or otherwise contacts you, tell them you will vote for whoever puts McGuinty behind bars, and see what sort of response that gets you... >:D
 
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