Quick kit question

[theoldyoungguy]

I have craploads of old kit that i no longer use due to the new gucci kit being issued. An example is the old webbing and wool gloves and what not. these old pieces of kit are doing nothing but taking up space in my small house. Does anyone know if i can simply return these kit items to stores and have them remove it from my issued kit list?

 

[MJP]

simple answer yes...But make an appt if you are returning a crap load of equipment at once.  IIRC 4-5 items at a time were the max for walk in guys.

 

[theoldyoungguy]

thanks a million buddy :warstory:

 

[Synthos]

you have be in uniform to go to the kit supply correct?

 

[NL_engineer]

In most places NO, but you will be asked for your ID; unless you know who works in supply.

 

[Synthos]

Would you happen to know about NDHQ?

 

[buzgo]

No jeans or PT kit but otherwise you should be okay in civ.

 

[Jarnhamar]

See I tried this and was told no. I have a LOT of both extra kit and stuff I'll never ever use. Like old thermal underwear (the smurf blue stuff) and those funky winter button sweaters and cf sweaters.  I tried to turn them in and the supply tech turned me away. I wanna get ride of some of this stuff cause it takes up way too much room.

 

[Synthos]

maybe they're secretly hoping you'll lose it or some such and have to pay for it >_<.

 

[armyvern]

See I tried this and was told no. I have a LOT of both extra kit and stuff I'll never ever use. Like old thermal underwear (the smurf blue stuff) and those funky winter button sweaters and cf sweaters.  I tried to turn them in and the supply tech turned me away. I wanna get ride of some of this stuff cause it takes up way too much room.

Ghost,

Supply won't take it back from you because:
-winter button sweater (flannel shirts??); call them to see if it's actually still on your charge. If you now have the "fleece" this item should have been returned then. If it's not on your charge offer to bring it back...if they say no again chuck it.

-thermal underwear....next to skin. Retained upon release...chuck it in the dumpster.

-anything DEU...is retainable upon release....supply just chucks it...throw it out or give it to a buddy who can still use it.

-and for those with questions about the old webbing....it's still on your clothing docs and can be returned to clothing stores to get it off your charge, you will have to return it prior to release etc. Thing about the old webbing is that it is a clothing stores item. Even though the webbing has been replaced by the tactical vest, your tactical vest was issued to you on a Temp Loan card by your Unit QM. You are required to turn it in to your Unit upon posting/transfer from that Unit. For this reason, members retained their old webbing and were not forced to turn it into Clothing Stores...the next Unit you serve with may not be a 1st line field/operational Unit...and therefore you will be wearing your old webbing.

 

[TCBF]

Except in the Spring of 04, we turned in our 82 patt to the Strat RQ shop and got the TV. I was posted Jun 04, and had to turn in my TV.  OK, I said, where is my 82, I need it.  Oh, they said, we turned that all in to base.  So I get to Wainwright, who said "What do you mean, you don't have webbing?" and issued me 82 patt... for 10 months, then drew it back and gave me a TV.

Roger so far, over?



Tom

 

[George Wallace]

Tom

I too, turned in my TV to the RQ when I left Pet.  I now have a LPV, in lieu of the 82 Webbing, which they were short of because of the large numbers of new recruits they had running through at the time getting what 82 Pattern was on the shelves.  I'm not compaining.  Beats the webbing.

 

[armyvern]

Except in the Spring of 04, we turned in our 82 patt to the Strat RQ shop and got the TV. I was posted Jun 04, and had to turn in my TV.  OK, I said, where is my 82, I need it.  Oh, they said, we turned that all in to base.  So I get to Wainwright, who said "What do you mean, you don't have webbing?" and issued me 82 patt... for 10 months, then drew it back and gave me a TV.
Roger so far, over?

Tom

Right...04...while the TVs were still being brought into service. Entitlement to TVs is by "Unit" not by MOC etc. The Strats being entitled...you were issued a TV by their RQ shop...hopefully if that RQ shop also took your webbing back from you...they recorded what you turned into them and gave all this info to Base Clothing Stores so that we could remove it from your charge, otherwise it's still on your clothing docs and you are going to be responsible to return it to us upon your release.
So you get to Wainwright...they issue you webbing (either they still weren't a "Unit" that was entitled to the TV or there were not yet enough TVs in the system to kit out that "Unit" when you got there). 10 months later...they either became entitled or there was finally enough in the Supply system to kit that "Unit."
Roger?  ;D

I see it everyday. So and so from whatever Unit in Pet, Valcatraz, pick a place...comes clearing in here and comes to Clothing to get issued his webbing...and still has it on his charge and the story always goes "but I turned it into my RQ shop when we got issued the TV."
My story always goes "why on Gods green earth would you turn something in that you signed for on your clothing docs to an RQ shop, they don't have access to your clothing docs and can't remove it from your charge.
Hopefully, if anyone of you has done this...you have a printed piece of paperwork from that RQ shop with their signatures on it that lists all the items you returned to them on it back up your claim.

Bottom line is folks: The clothing and equipment that you sign for on your individual clothing docs from clothing stores...is an individual responsibility and you will be responsible to turn it in to us or pay for it/file a loss report upon release or CT. So, if you are going to turn in any kit you signed for at Clothing Stores to anyone other than a clothing Stores it it also your individual responsibility to ensure that you get written proof of this return with a signature from the RQ shop to give to us folks at clothing stores when we ask you for the item that you signed for from us back. It's for your own good and will save you much paperwork and quite probably money in the end when you go to release and are "missing" those items you turned in to someone else.

You'd never think to turn in a weapon you signed for at an RQ shop to clothing stores...the same thing goes the other way.

 

[George Wallace]

Veronica

A lot of us, even us older wiser, soldiers got caught up with this issue.  We were to bring in Fleece and Webbing for "One for One Exchange", done as a bulk issue involving both RQ (Unit) and Base Clothing Staff at the same location.....In Petawawa it was in the Centennial Center Curling Rink.  If nothing, it was a problem with the way it was carried out and not the individual soldiers.  Directives came down from Bde and Base as to how this was to happen.  I would imagine, most Cbt Arms soldiers are now facing the same problems with their Clothing Docs, due to this event, as evident in your comments on pers from not only Petawawa, but Valcartier also.

 

[armyvern]

I agree George,
I'm seeing it from every Base quite frankly. Our policy is here that we re-issue doubles on their charge (they obviously require the kit to do their jobs) and then advise them that they have 4 options for getting the duplicates off their charge:

1) bring us Stat Dec stating it was turned in to XXX RQ shop upon receiving the TV (which we then use as justification for writing off the 2nd set and keep on file for the auditors);

2) bring us a Loss Report that they have sent through their CoC (which we then use as justification for writing off the 2nd set and keep on file for the auditors); or

3) bring us a copy of their signed paperwork from the RQ shop that they should have been given when they turned the stuff into the RQ shop (which we then use as justification for writing off the 2nd set and keep on file for the auditors); or

4) have XXX RQ shop send me an e-mail that says "X11 111 111, Cpl Armyvern did return this, this and this to me on this date in exchange for his TV (which we then use as justification for writing off the 2nd set and keep on file for the auditors).

I'd prefer to see the troops use the Stat Dec over the Loss Report as there are some COs who feel XXX should still be held either entirely or partially responsible for the cost of the kit because they turned it into the RQ or because they failed to get 'proof' of doing so.

A Supply Techs Service Number shows up on every transaction they do, and our write-off transactions are subject to investigation and auditing by the Auditor General, therefore the paperwork to back up exactly why an item was written off an account or soldier's charge MUST be on file to back up the reason why the write-off occured. The write-off itself is rather simple and not a problem for us to do, as long as the soldier can provide the written substantiation/justification for doing so. Then it his signature on the official paperwork that the write-off is riding on if the auditors have any questions or concerns with it. If he's telling the truth about not having whatever...he shouldn't have a problem putting it in writing and signing his name to it.

 

[elminister]

Quick question, say for instance I got kit from ASU Toronto then got to like Trenton and they take that kit and give me something else does ASU Toronto know about it and it is taken off my charge?

 

[armyvern]

Quick question, say for instance I got kit from ASU Toronto then got to like Trenton and they take that kit and give me something else does ASU Toronto know about it and it is taken off my charge?

If you got it at Clothing and returned it at Clothing you shouldn't have a problem. 8Wg clothing stores does your return on the computer and takes it off your charge. When ASU London pulls up your docs on the computer the item will not be on your charge.

Bottom line is...if you get it from a Clothing Stores return it to a Clothing Stores. Or else ask for a 'receipt' for the item and ensure that you have the person you are giving it to "sign as received." I can access anybody's clothing docs in the CF who have a service number or an employee number (in the case of civilians) just as any clothing stores can access anyone of my supported personnel's clothing docs to issue or return items. But an RQ shop can not do a return/issue to/from someone's clothing docs, only another clothing stores section can do this.

 

[elminister]

thanks for the information armyvern.

 

[TCBF]

"My story always goes "why on Gods green earth would you turn something in that you signed for on your clothing docs to an RQ shop, they don't have access to your clothing docs and can't remove it from your charge. "

- Because they TOLD us to.  Same-same the OG-107 combat jacket and the 1982 Parka ECW, they got turned in at unit RQ Stores when we drew the pre-CADPAT Goretex Parka, Overalls and Jacket.

Everyone in Wainwright is being told to visit the Base QM to see what gremlins are in the 2001 clothing data base.  Some grunt Sergeant was down for a set of cook's whites - obviously an input  error.  Stat deck to follow.  They have me down for a US type Poncho Liner and belt utility (web) 1982.  Both of which I turned into them six months ago when I again drew a TV.  Stat deck to follow.

Shift happens.

Tom

 

[George Wallace]

That's OK Tom

Someone doing Data entry added a zero.....I was supposedly the proud owner of 10 rucksacks.