Quick kit question

[armyvern]

That's OK Tom

Someone doing Data entry added a zero.....I was supposedly the proud owner of 10 rucksacks.

And that would show up in the transaction history so you shouldn't have to do anything but say "fix it" to make it happen. And if the troops at clothing had any initiative he would "just fix it" and you wouldn't have to ask anything.

 

[armyvern]

Because they TOLD us to.  Same-same the OG-107 combat jacket and the 1982 Parka ECW, they got turned in at unit RQ Stores when we drew the pre-CADPAT Goretex Parka, Overalls and Jacket.

I know they told you to. And that's why I'm recommending that if anyone is ever told to do this...they ask for a written receipt as their proof. It will only save the troops who get shafted by 'order' trouble, paperwork and quite possibly money in the long run.

 

[TCBF]

"know they told you to. And that's why I'm recommending that if anyone is ever told to do this...they ask for a written receipt as their proof. It will only save the troops who get shafted by 'order' trouble, paperwork and quite possibly money in the long run."

The Real World is as follows:

- "Don't worry soldier, base will fix up the paperwork.  Now keep the line moving and run along, ,or do I have to call your SSM back here?"

;D

Tom

 

[armyvern]

Well we gave out receipts when we did it at CM, Trenton and 2RCR. It's all in the Unit's organization of how it's done. It's quite simple and does not take any extra time. Simply many photocopies of a word doc return sheet (photocopied before the event) that states: SN, Name, Unit (which we had the troops fill out while waiting in line), the items being returned were listed on the doc prior with a "Qty Recd" column beside it. When the troops got to the front of the line I put the qty beside the items he gave me and signed the bottom gave it to him and off he went. Such simple things that save the troops so much headache in the end.

It all comes down to common sense, and others who know shit happens ensuring that they do what they can to lessen the impact on the troops whose paperwork gets "lost" between the RQ Shop and their transportation of that paperwork to clothing stores for transmission.

 

[armyvern]

The Real World is as follows:
- "Don't worry soldier, base will fix up the paperwork.  Now keep the line moving and run along, ,or do I have to call your SSM back here?"

You know what strikes me about this mindset is that it's probably those very same supervisors and SSMs who recommend that the troops pay for that item on their Stores Loss Report because they failed to get a "receipt" for the item. Sad thing that is for a 5 second piece of paperwork. Glad we here are not part of the real world then.

 

[TCBF]

Beating the wrong snake.... The RQ Shop is run by the QM - a Log Captain, and an MWO - a Supply Tech.

The TQ shop is run by an MWO 011 Crmn in an Armd Regt.  TQ shop does vehicles and stuff. RQ shop does clo, rats, gen stores, etc.

The RQ shop are experts at sourcing and accounting for kit.  The TQ shop are experts at kitting and distributing fighting vehicles. Two different mindsets. Warehouse versus truck under two camnets in a treeline.

A Crewman wants to throw every bit of issued kit needed on a tank/Coyote/whatever that has been fully fueled and serviced. Then wait for the 'Snowball' at 0330.  A Sup tech wants to take a veh he has just received and de-kit it, putting the stuff on 45 diferent shelves in 5 different buildings.  Which is why ASU Wainwright is now putitng MORE AFV experienced Cbt A soldiers in their veh kitting section.  As the monster gets closer, they are beginning to listen to them as well.

Tom

 

[armyvern]

Exactly my point. They care about what their sections need to be accountable for.

Clothing is the care of the Clothing Stores section. Even though they are Sup Techs the RQ and the QM do not have the authorization/computer transaction capability to ammend your clothing docs. Neither does anyone (including others in Base Supply) who are not employed and registered on the CFSS as a "Clothing Storesman."

So they care about the kit they are specifically responsible for and that is on charge to them. Judging by the fact that I have 2 full time staff who are solely dedicated to correcting improper clothing docs for situations like that outlined below...their priority in the RQ shop is not worrying about what you have on charge at clothing stores.

A very simple way to 'correct' this problem is to recommend via your CoC, the next time you are 'ordered' to return clothing to the RQ shop, that a word doc receipt be given to all personnel who return items on charge to their Service Number at Clothing Stores; both to protect the soldier and to avoid all the problems that he will face at clothing regarding his individual service number account.

 

[TCBF]

A good suggestion.  I am amazed the Sup techs who run our RQ shop (who were no doubt asked by Base clothing stores to "do them a favour") never thought of it.  of course, they prob believed the other Sup Techs in Base Qm when they said they "would handle it."

Anything to de-clutter Base QM, as most of our soldiers hated going there anyway.

  As a Pl Comd in CFRS Corwallis in 1986, I had to draw winter kit for my platoon and issue it ourselves.  That plus 120 barrack boxes.  Pl Comds each had a DA account for their barracks.  Amazing how much one of those floor polishers was worth.

Tom

 

[MPSHIELD]

In my experience with the electronic clothing docs is that for some reason, items, "appear and disappear" on my docs. I don't normally carry clothing receipts with me when I travel or when I'm on tasking (although I guess I should).

When I returned from overseas, I went to clear clothing and noticed none of my ICE was on my docs. I also noticed according to my docs that all my webbing was still on there despite having returned it. For some reason my "individual account" was "goofed up". I ended up having 6 Sup techs trying to figure out what was wrong with it. I guess the Sup tech figure because I admitted to having ICE issued (despite not being on Clothing account) that he could believe me. I was honest with them and they took it off my webbing with a "wave of their finger tips". I was very fortunate, no paperwork for a lost report required (that would have been a  hassle).

On a separate note recently, I notice, somehow, someway that 1X PR of MK3 boots and 1 X PR of WWB have magically dispeared off of IA. Your guess is as good as mine as to how this happend as I have 2 of each. I guess I should get an adjustment done on my docs.

Despite these little "glitches", I like how clothing docs are electronic and in a pinch, can get items issued and exchanged at other bases more easily.