Question about foreign service, medals and badges and para course for C.I.C.

[Journeyman]

You actually claimed a "couple of good friends in the reserves and reg force."

Now, personally, I don't give a crap one way or another about your military experience. My issue here is with the truth/informed opinion primarily; the fact that you contributed nothing but a lame attitude in failing to answer the posted question is a distant second.

 

[PuckChaser]

As far as my earlier reference goes, I was at a mess dinner a few months ago in Toronto and a friend of my was taking heat for not wearing his campaign and service medals. His reply was this, in his opinion, the fact that he made it back from his last tour (armoured regiment) without being the target of a Taliban bomb buried in the road should speak miles more than some ribbon and tin ever could.

If a medal is award it should be worn, whether they're just "ribbon or tin". Sounds like your friend is just pissed he didn't get something prestigious like a MMV or Medal of Bravery.

 

[Pusser]

Well, I guess I forced into the pissing competition just to validate my opinion, lol. : : : which was the point of my comment, it's unfortunate that a blood sample needs to be provided in this forum just to offer an opinion.

As far as my earlier reference goes, I was at a mess dinner a few months ago in Toronto and a friend of my was taking heat for not wearing his campaign and service medals. His reply was this, in his opinion, the fact that he made it back from his last tour (armoured regiment) without being the target of a Taliban bomb buried in the road should speak miles more than some ribbon and tin ever could.

Some ribbon and tin?  Napoleon once opined that with enough coloured ribbon he could conquer the world!  I guess he ran out of ribbon  ;D (the best ribbon manufacturers are in the UK anyway).

Each to his/her own, but just because someone chooses not to wear their medals (for whatever reason) does not mean that the medals themselves have no meaning.  The process to create honours is long, complex and full of checks and balances.  This is why it takes so long to create them.  By the time the Queen personally approves a Canadian honour (and She personally approves all Canadian honours), the criteria, the regulations and the design itself have really gone through the wringer.  These decisions are not taken lightly.  Is it is a perfect process?  No, but no decisions are taken lightly and much debate occurs beforehand (Armed Forces Council, Canadian Honours Policy Committee, Prime Minister's Office, Etc) .

The original poster asked whether he could wear his medals earned while in the British Army on his CF uniform.  The answer, for the most part is probably yes, but there some hoops he has to jump through.  These hoops are actually there to protect the integrity of the Honours System and the respect of the CF uniform and that's a good thing.  I really don't think that flippant remarks about the value of honours or that you should just wear whatever you want on a blue blazer are helpful or appropriate.  Are you saying that the medals worn by members of the Legion are of questionable value?

Most members of the CF, although sometimes humbled by the honours they receive, are justifiably proud of them.  If some choose not to wear them, that's their business, but it is inappropriate to cast aspersions on those who do.  The original poster has, as far as we know, earned his honours from an honours system very much like our own.  He should be permitted to wear them accordingly and with pride.

 

[formercadet1029]

Most members of the CF, although sometimes humbled by the honours they receive, are justifiably proud of them.  If some choose not to wear them, that's their business, but it is inappropriate to cast aspersions on those who do.  The original poster has, as far as we know, earned his honours from an honours system very much like our own.  He should be permitted to wear them accordingly and with pride.

I agree with you 100%, if you have legit awards inside the system, then there shouldn't be any reason you shouldn't be allowed to wear them.

 

[my72jeep]

For your wings, you will likely have to seek authority up the chain. If you want to attend the CF Para course... don't hold your breath. As a CIC officer you would be well down the priority list (likely falling off the bottom of it).
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As a CIC Officer you can apply for one of the 3 officer slots every year with the cadet jump course( these are admim slots but the option to train  jump and qualify are there)

 

[Fishbone Jones]

As far as my earlier reference goes, I was at a mess dinner a few months ago in Toronto and a friend of my was taking heat for not wearing his campaign and service medals. His reply was this, in his opinion, the fact that he made it back from his last tour (armoured regiment) without being the target of a Taliban bomb buried in the road should speak miles more than some ribbon and tin ever could.

If he has been awarded medals\ decorations, and refuses to wear them while in the proper uniform, he's out of dress and should be given heat.

As well as a few extras to solidify the point.

 

[Pusser]

If he has been awarded medals\ decorations, and refuses to wear them while in the proper uniform, he's out of dress and should be given heat.

As well as a few extras to solidify the point.

There is actually no regulation that specifically states you must wear your medals.  The regulations only state how they shall be worn if worn.  Should still be good for a few drinks though...

 

[daftandbarmy]

I wasn't aware that I had to post my service experience as well (like many of the braggarts found here seem to do every other minute), to qualify my opinion. The original question of that thread you quoted me from was asking what cadet qualifications people had. Typically infantry guy trying to make himself feel better about have to walk everywhere, lol. 

BTW, I've never worn my cadet cookie medal, as it sits in a box with the rest of my "real" ones, lol.

Hellloooooooo..... I'm right heeeerrrreeeee!  ;D

 

[PuckChaser]

There is actually no regulation that specifically states you must wear your medals.  The regulations only state how they shall be worn if worn.  Should still be good for a few drinks though...

To me, a regulation stating how medals will be worn is an implied order that if you're awarded a medal you will wear it, and in the following manner.

 

[Blackadder1916]

There is actually no regulation that specifically states you must wear your medals.  The regulations only state how they shall be worn if worn.  Should still be good for a few drinks though...

To me, a regulation stating how medals will be worn is an implied order that if you're awarded a medal you will wear it, and in the following manner.

What do the regulations state?

In QR&Os

Section 2 – Wearing

18.11 – GENERAL

(1) No officer or non-commissioned member shall wear
an order, decorations, medal or the ribbon representing
any of them without authority.

(2) The order and manner of wearing orders, decorations,
medals and the ribbons representing them shall be as
notified by the Chief of the Defence Staff.

(M)

18.12 – NON-MILITARY DECORATIONS AND
MEDALS

(1) No officer or non-commissioned member when in
uniform shall wear a non-military decoration or medal, or
the ribbon representing any such decoration or medal,
except:

. . . . . .

And the manner that the CDS used for notification is CFP 265:

CHAPTER 4

ORDERS, DECORATIONS, MEDALS AND
OTHER HONOURS

POLICY

1. Authorized honours (orders, decorations,
medals, and the insignia for mentions-indispatches,
commendations and citations) may be
worn, when appropriate, by entitled personnel.
Where doubt exists on entitlement, the Command
concerned shall refer the matter to NDHQ/DHH for
clarification. No officer or non-commissioned
member shall carry or wear an order, decoration or
medal while engaged in operations against the
enemy.

2. Orders, decorations and medals may be
worn with ceremonial and mess dress orders. See
Chapter 2, Annex A, and Chapter 6. Guidance on
selecting honours for wear should follow the
principles in sub-sub-paragraphs 7.a.(1) and (2)
and sub-paragraph 8.a.

3. Undress ribbons and related insignia are
worn on lesser dress orders as detailed in
paragraph 11. and Chapter 6.

. . . . .

Doesn't seem to be any implied orders there, the operative word is "may" - which shall be construed as permissive.  Nor does the dress instructions permit any lower level of command to change them to suit local whims.

 

[HItorMiss]

Blackadder


With that QR&O does this mean that I can without thought of being charged with being out of dress take down my Sacrifice Medal as I have no desire to wear it but was under the impression that once awarded a Medal you were obliged to wear it?

 

[Old Sweat]

With that QR&O does this mean that I can without thought of being charged with being out of dress take down my Sacrifice Medal as I have no desire to wear it but was under the impression that once awarded a Medal you were obliged to wear it?

Hopefully that is a rhetorical question. As I suspect you would have anyway, check with your chain of command and use your perogative to have the last word, "Yes Sir."

 

[Infanteer]

I know plenty of soldiers who do not wish, and don't, wear a Sacrifice Medal.  There is even a box on the application form that confirms if the soldier wants a public presentation of the medal or just wants it handed to him.

 

[HItorMiss]

It isn't rhetorical I despise the medal and view it as a joke (personal opinion) and would much rather not wear it. I am well aware that once awarded it I had to take my wound stripe down and have done so but I would rather wear nothing then the Sacrifice Medal.

I will research the QR&O and seek my CoC interpretation however the way I read it now makes it seem like I have every right to do so.


EDIT: Spelling

 

[HItorMiss]

Infanteer

I wasn't really given that option either......