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Promotions in the CAF [Merged]

helpup said:
  Some trades have Pte and especially Cpl's making as much as a MCpl or Sgt.

Privates, anywhere in the CF, are NOT paid specialist 1 or 2.

snoop101 said:
I may be wrong, but I was reading that some trades once your done your trade school you are automatically a Cpl with specialist 1. I believe AES Op is one, among others.
 

No. Direct enry AES Ops will not be promoted to Cpl after wings. They will be promoted to Cpl after 3-4 years and cannot be in receipt of spec pay until they are in fact Cpls. Once the new recruting scheme is in place, those who remuster from other trades will be Cpls to begin with and after wings, will be paid spec 1.

Currently, AES Ops must be MCpl and MOAT/OTU qualified to beging spec 1 pay.
 
SGT-RMSCLK said:
Privates do not get spec pay.

IPC level changes on the effective date of the promotion or appointment in the case of MCpl

When promoted/appointed you will be paid at the IPC level that is equal to or greater than what you were being paid at the former rank.  You can never make less money after promotion.  (yes there are exceptions to that but do not pertain to the questions in this thread so i wont get into it)

For example:  When I got appointed to MCPl I was a Cpl IPC 4 therefore I went to MCPl IPC 4 , because a Cpl IPC 4 makes more than and MCpl IPC 3.  However, When I was promoted to Sgt I went to IPC 0 because it was the next higher rated of pay than I was getting as a MCpl IPC 4.   

Clear? 

I sit Corrected in my rantish post on Pte and Spec Pay, and your comment does say a world about how much more a MCpl makes. ( play on words intended)
 
I have been told that advancement is fairly good in the infantry that is not why i joined , i personaly just love the idea of being an officer on the front
 
I have a question about the CFR process. Kind of..

My application is going through as an Infantry NCM as we speak (ever so slowly, of course) because I don't meet the education qualifications for DEO. Assuming that I did absolutely nothing to change that (not the case, but hypothetically) other than be a good soldier, what is the process like for getting Commissioned from the ranks? I.e. is there a minimum rank/service length before one can apply, is there a way to fast track it (I'm working on the education problem) etc.

Thanks
 
starseed said:
I.e. is there a minimum rank/service length before one can apply, is there a way to fast track it (I'm working on the education problem) etc.

Minimum rank is Sgt (outstanding MCpls may be considered)......you dont apply for CFR, your chain of command comes to you.
 
starseed said:
I have a question about the CFR process. Kind of..

My application is going through as an Infantry NCM as we speak (ever so slowly, of course) because I don't meet the education qualifications for DEO. Assuming that I did absolutely nothing to change that (not the case, but hypothetically) other than be a good soldier, what is the process like for getting Commissioned from the ranks? I.e. is there a minimum rank/service length before one can apply, is there a way to fast track it (I'm working on the education problem) etc.

Thanks

Taken from http://borden.mil.ca/g1bpso/english/CFRP_e.asp (DIN Site)

IN-SERVICE COMMISSIONING
COMMISSIONING FROM THE RANKS PLAN (CFRP)
References: A. CFAO 11-9
B. CFAO 10-3
C. CFAO 11-6
D. CFAO 2-10
E. Annual D Mil 7988C Sec Message
GENERAL
The CFRP is an officer candidate nomination program for NCMs with a minimum of ten years experience who are normally at the Sgt or above rank level. Outstanding MCpls may also be nominated for this program as stipulated by the annual competition message. Only the Cmdt/CO of the unit, advised by supervisors may identify and nominate potential candidates who have acquired a level of military experience and who possess qualities and aptitudes considered suitable for commissioning (member should not be “nominating themselves” but certainly may make their interest known to supervisors on appropriate occasions). Eligibility standards are prescribed at ref A and the competition is announced annually at ref E.

ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS
To be eligible for nomination under the CFRP, an applicant must meet the following requirements:

Citizenship: An applicant must be a Canadian citizen;
Time in Service: Must have a minimum of 10 years service by closing date for nomination;
Rank: Must be of substantive rank of Sgt or higher (or outstanding MCpls on an exceptional basis);
Period of Remaining Service: Must have at least the minimum required years of service remaining to CRA by 31 Dec of the year in which the selection board is convened, as stipulated on the competition message. However, Cmdts/COs may nominate members with less time when there is justification for so doing and\providing the member nominated is able to complete all required officer/MOC/language training and is able to provide the CF with a period of employment in officer positions;
Medical Standards: Must have a minimum medical category for the appropriate officer MOC awarded/confirmed within 12 months prior to closing date for nomination;
Pre-entry Test: Must achieve acceptable standing on the Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) administered by the PSO;
Education Standards: Must possess a Grade 12 diploma (Secondary V in Quebec) or equivalency certificate; and
Proof of Acceptance: Must provide proof of acceptance to a sub-MOC approved technology program identified at ref A, if the applicant is a MARE 44 nominee.
Nominees must belong to an MOC closely aligned with the officer MOC for which they are nominated, or have extensive training, experience or education qualifications directly related to that MOC. Annex A to ref D, Personnel Branches within the CF, is the basis for determining the appropriate officer MOC.

Nominees will be considered only for the specific annual program for which they are nominated. Those not selected may, if still eligible, be nominated by a Cmdt/CO in any subsequent year. Full processing and documentation is required each time the member is nominated.

EMPLOYMENT
The employment of officers commissioned under this plan will be related to their individual qualifications.

PROCEDURES
Upon announcement of the CFRP competition, the Cmdt/CO may make nominations and shall ensure that the following documents are forwarded to the PSO well in advance of published closing dates:

CFRP nomination (Parts 1 , 2 & 3 Annex A to ref A completed) - include a letter of Recommendation from CO;
Statement of Understanding (Annex B to ref A);
Consent to Serve Form (Annex A to ref B, if applicable);
documentary proof of education IAW ref A and Qualification Summary-In-Service Commissioning Form;
Self-Assessment Form; and
Personnel Selection Office Referral Form together with UER, Military Personal Record Resume (MPRR), conduct sheet (if applicable) and Unit Pers File (UPF).
STAFFING
Once all the member’s documentation has been received, the PSO shall screen the forms to verify the member’s eligibility for the program. At that time, a file review will also be done to determine if testing is necessary. The point of contact shall be informed of the date and time of the appointment and must confirm the member’s availability for the scheduled interview.

Following the interview, a Personnel Selection Report (CF285) (if applicable), and letter are forwarded to the unit together with the applicant’s file. The Cmdt/CO then completes Part 3 of Annex B to ref A. In all cases, the unit recommendation shall be signed by the Cmdt/CO, who should be a senior ranking officer. Otherwise, a written explanation is advised.

The unit shall send the following documents to NDHQ/DMCARM 7 (or as specified in the annual CFRP message):

CFRP nomination completed (Annex A to ref A);
Statement of Understanding (Annex B to ref A);
Consent to Serve Form (Annex A to ref B), if applicable;
documentary proof of education in accordance with refs and Qualification Summary-In-Service Commissioning Form; and
CF285, Personnel Selection Report.
Units are to inform Career Managers at NDHQ/D Mil C and DMCARM 7-3, by message, fax or EMail, when a CFRP nominee’s documentation has been dispatched.

An NDHQ selection board carefully reviews all documents and candidates are informed of the decision through their Cmdt/CO.
 
I was wondering if anyone can help me...I have searched on this website and also on others and can't seem to find what I am looking for. I know that it is customary for someone who has been promoted to buy a round...now the question I have is is being sworn in as a new recruit considered a promotion and do I have to buy a round?
 
It does help you buy friends with your new unit if you're a reservist.
 
No, it's not customary, to be quite blunt, I'd considered an attempt to "kiss arse"... contrary to what PuckChaser, I'd reccommend against trying "buy" friends... be friendly... work hard... you'll earn friends and respect. Don't expect to be immediately accepted into a unit family, but the other side of that coin, don't be afraid to socialize with your peers... if somone invites encourages you to go to the mess after training on a parade night, GO! Even if only for 10 minutes to say hello and good-night... I've seen many new recruits (reservists) join, and be afraid to socialise... the ones who never socialized usually quit within a year... but back to the original question, no, there is no expectation or tradition of buying a round as a new recruit. If anything, somone else should buy you a drink.
 
Thanks for the help! I am definitely not afraid to socialize in my unit i am a bandsman...I played with the band as a volunteer for over 2 years before being sworn in and spend almost every parade night in the mess with others in the unit. I don't expected to be accepted in right away i know that it is earned...I just wondered about the round because a corporal from my unit asked me last week if i had bought my round yet so i was unsure...but again Thanks!
 
If you've been around for two years already, and are already known, then that's different... I wouldn't consider buying a round a "kiss arse" move, rather a social move... so it's entirely up to you... that being said, in MY oppinion, somone should be buying YOU the beer... but that's just me.
 
[slight tangent]

Worst one is when you get mugged out of the JR's and mugged into the SNCO's mess

;D

[/slight tangent]
 
NFLD Sapper said:
Worst one is when you get mugged out of the JR's and mugged into the SNCO's mess

Huh ?  You been threatened ?
 
muddyrug said:
    Well, I was just wondering what the chances for advancement are within the infantry, and how long it takes to move up to say a corporal
(Obviously you won't be promoted if your a dumb ***) or even a sergeant. I want to join the infantry but it would be a major deterrent if theres
not much of a chance to advance. Also, I've heard the starting pay for Infantrymen is around $30 000 a year for privates (before taxes) , and my parents
have told me its less than that. Is 30k accurate? 


          -Tommy

I can't say it's the same for all reg force infantry units, but we're hoisting people up the ladder pretty quickly these days if they're eager and switched on.  The dearth of NCOs, particularly Sgts, means accelerated promotions for quite a few, often to fill MCpl positions that are empty because the MCpls are filling a Sgt position.  You generally still have to spend a minimum of 3 (or 2, I can't recall) years as a Pte before you're eligible for accelerated promotion to Cpl.  There are exceptions, but they're exceedingly rare and generally require a great deal of paperwork wrangling and manoeuvring to pull off. 

 
Judging how many Ptes they are putting on leadership courses, and how many they are saying are going onto to mod 6, I'd say the opportunities for advancement in the infantry right now are astounding.... if a little scary.  There will be a lot of MCpls walking around within the next year with very little time in.
 
Your intentions are not directed in the right way.Go be the best soldier you can be and promotions and money will come as they should.If you are looking for good money go to Alberta where the money is great and the cost of living is just as equal.
 
OHurley... you haven't been to Alberta lately - have you ?
The economy has put the brakes on the AB miracle - lotta people are moving out & heading back from whence they came.

DD... between trying to grow the forces & replace aqll those people who are coming upon retirement, there is a definite need for new leaders.  And that could be a good thing.  Young Ptes and Cpls are coming back from Afghanistan - they are mature beyond their years - they have learnt, they are as ready as those of us who grew up and served in the cold war & had the luxury of taking years to progress from one rank to the next.  Time in is nice BUT, it's probably magnified by what you've done with yourselves during that time.
 
geo said:
OHurley... you haven't been to Alberta lately - have you ?
The economy has put the brakes on the AB miracle - lotta people are moving out & heading back from whence they came.

DD... between trying to grow the forces & replace aqll those people who are coming upon retirement, there is a definite need for new leaders.  And that could be a good thing.  Young Ptes and Cpls are coming back from Afghanistan - they are mature beyond their years - they have learnt, they are as ready as those of us who grew up and served in the cold war & had the luxury of taking years to progress from one rank to the next.  Time in is nice BUT, it's probably magnified by what you've done with yourselves during that time.
I'm just worried about all the MCpls that are coming and will still be on their first contract (of which I've been told I might be one of).  There's already a lot of heads that have started to swell as it is and once they get the leaf and associated authority, there could be trouble.  Not only from their end but from their peers and subordinates that might not give the same respect for them that they would somebody that really put in the time and has the experience that there really is no subsitute for.

I realise the neccesity of it right now, but there is going to be growing pains no doubt.
 
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