Promotions in the CAF [Merged]

[geo]

I'm curious - why is the time to Cpl shorter for Reserves than Reg force?  That seems counter-intuitive.

Reservists & Regulars.... like apples & oranges... difficult to compare the two.
The competency requirements to become a Cpl in the regs differs from those in the reserve.  This was determined by someone in the nosebleed section & no one in this peanut gallery had any say into it....

 

[muddyrug]

First year Private in Regular Force Infantry in Edmonton living in quarters is a little over $1400 a month after all deductions, with a 3 meal per day, 7 days a week meal plan.  There will be an increase in about April, when the monthly field allowance kicks in.

Is there really $1100 in deductions per month? How much does it cost to live in quarters, and are they like a dorm style thing? Oh and do you work every weekend, or do you get weekends off?

 

[Michael OLeary]

Is there really $1100 in deductions per month?

Quarters,
Rations,
Taxes,
Pension Plan,
etc.

 

[geo]

rug... no, the dorm rooms are not usually used.  HOIWEVER, that being said, you sometimes end up in them for short periods while attending courses.
Sooo... Private rooms with a common/shared washroom is what you will usually have.
Weekends ?  we sometimes work weekends BUT, while in Canada/while in garrison, you will usually have a 5 day work week

 

[Nfld Sapper]

I think in Gagetown they are 2 to a room in the D-Lines.

 

[stealthylizard]

I haven't seen a paystub since I got to battalion, so I couldn't tell you how much "rent" is for the shacks in Edmonton.  You typically get most weekends off unless you are duty, or on an exercise.  Typical day when not on course is show up for work at 7:40, parade at 8, PT shortly after, back to work for 10.  Lunch from 11:30.  Report back for 1, off for the day sometime between 3:30 and 4. 

Working in CQ is a bit different, most of the time staying a bit later than everyone else, and quite often having to show up a bit earlier, but at least I am always busy doing something even when I'm not doing anything.

 

[snoop101]

Hello

On the Forces.ca site it shows that pay for private ranges from $30k-$52k. So I did some looking around and found theres 3 different ranks for a private and then of course Corpral. Is there an average pay that each would make?

Private (Recruit) -
Private (Basic) -
Private (One chevron) -
Corporal (Two Chevron) -

Also im not 100% sure but do some trades people get promoted to Corporal right after they do there trade's training?

 

[kincanucks]

Hello

On the Forces.ca site it shows that pay for private ranges from $30k-$52k. So I did some looking around and found theres 3 different ranks for a private and then of course Corpral. Is there an average pay that each would make?

Private (Recruit) -
Private (Basic) -
Private (One chevron) -
Corporal (Two Chevron) -

Also im not 100% sure but do some trades people get promoted to Corporal right after they do there trade's training?

There are three different pay increments for Privates and you would have known this if you had looked here:

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/48593/post-641077#new which would lead you to here:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dppd/pdf/Reg_Force_NCM_08_e.pdf

You get promoted to Cpl, in most cases,  when you have three years as a Private and you meet the trade qualifications for your occupation.

 

[snoop101]

So I assume it would be like this?

Private (Recruit) - pay increment 1 - while on bmq
Private (Basic) - pay increment 2 - while on trades training
Private (One chevron) - pay increment 3 - starting your trade

 

[Nfld Sapper]

More like:

Pte (IPC 1) - upon enrollment
Pte (IPC 2) - After 1 year in the CF based on enrollment date
Pte (IPC 3) - After 2 yrs in the CF based on enrollment date

 

[snoop101]

Perfect thank you. Thats what I was looking for.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

And with that I think we are all done here......

 

[helpup]

More like:

Pte (IPC 1) - upon enrollment
Pte (IPC 2) - After 1 year in the CF based on enrollment date
Pte (IPC 3) - After 2 yrs in the CF based on enrollment date

I have always had an issue with that but your right the incentive all boils down to enrollment date.  It use to be you would have to finnish trades training to move beyond IPC 1 ( or was that two )but no longer.  My brother and I got into a arguement about it once. He for it and me aghast. ah well PAT Pl lives and makes good coin doing it.

something to add to this post is those rates will depend on if your getting Spec pay as well.  Some trades have Pte and especially Cpl's making as much as a MCpl or Sgt.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

I have always had an issue with that but your right the incentive all boils down to enrollment date.  It use to be you would have to finnish trades training to move beyond IPC 1 ( or was that two )but no longer.  My brother and I got into a arguement about it once. He for it and me aghast. ah well PAT Pl lives and makes good coin doing it.

something to add to this post is those rates will depend on if your getting Spec pay as well.  Some trades have Pte and especially Cpl's making as much as a MCpl or Sgt.

Now comes the caveat......

While I was a Pte/Spr, my enrollment date was 2 Dec but when I was promoted to Cpl my IPC change over dates become sometime in Sept (can't remember the exact date), now when I was appointed to MCpl it again changed this time to June....

Clear as mud?

;D

 

[Nfld Sapper]

something to add to this post is those rates will depend on if your getting Spec pay as well.  Some trades have Pte and especially Cpl's making as much as a MCpl or Sgt.

Might want to check the Pay Tables as I don't see any Pte's in the Spec columns.

 

[Michael OLeary]

Now comes the caveat......

While I was a Pte/Spr, my enrollment date was 2 Dec but when I was promoted to Cpl my IPC change over dates become sometime in Sept (can't remember the exact date), now when I was appointed to MCpl it again changed this time to June....

Clear as mud?

;D

Do you think those changes in effective dates for receiving pay incentives might be connected to effective promotion dates?

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Actaully I did Mr. O'Learly just mearly stating that at least for the Pte IPC's its based on enrollment date while the rest are based on effective promotion dates.

 

[Biohazardxj]

Privates do not get spec pay.

IPC level changes on the effective date of the promotion or appointment in the case of MCpl

When promoted/appointed you will be paid at the IPC level that is equal to or greater than what you were being paid at the former rank.  You can never make less money after promotion.  (yes there are exceptions to that but do not pertain to the questions in this thread so i wont get into it)

For example:  When I got appointed to MCPl I was a Cpl IPC 4 therefore I went to MCPl IPC 4 , because a Cpl IPC 4 makes more than and MCpl IPC 3.  However, When I was promoted to Sgt I went to IPC 0 because it was the next higher rated of pay than I was getting as a MCpl IPC 4. 

Clear? 

 

[421_434_226]

I believe that most spec trades must now also be QL5 qualified along with Cpl rank to be paid spec pay.

 

[snoop101]

I may be wrong, but I was reading that some trades once your done your trade school you are automatically a Cpl with specialist 1. I believe AES Op is one, among others.