FascistLibertarian said:
GWB has wrecked the view of America around the world, used the army for a purpose other than what it was designed to (and in doing so stretched it to the breaking point), and wasted billions of dollars.
What does he have to show for it. What valuable gains has he made for this very serious use of American money and more importantly lives?
After growing up with 10 US presidents (1959 to present), for as long as I can remember, each president has had a international crisis. Don't forget, Viet Nam was the Democrats, not the Republicans, and although it did not prevent Communism from Viet Nam, it may have altered other rogue nations from entering such, fearing US intervention.
If the US did not get involved in Iraq and intervene, the world would be a more dangerous place than it is now. Sure we now know things were not as exactly pictured, but in time the regime would have been involved in something sinister for the west, and now the people in Iraq in time will have a chance. There is much more stability in many ways then before, and a lot of bad guys still wanting to have their cake and eat it too. It won't be easy for the NIA and new government for many years to come.
Strangly enough, when there is a natural disasater in these greasy shytehole places, these so called US haters are first to ask for $$$$, and the US usually complies.
Your above comment has really touched a nerve with me. The GWOT is much more deeper than Iraq, and I don't think thats been a waste. This is a war of cultures, that being a war fighting islamc extremist finaticals who love death as much as we love life. Its a long long way from being over.
I have earned my opinion from being there in the thick of it. Even 10 months later I hear of fellow Australian men and women I was there with, caving in to a host of mental injuries from what we all experienced. Some directly under my command, missing months of work upon return. It was NO middle eastern holiday. So, I have earned my opinion based on experience, not out of a left wing rag, or INet site, or others with the same anti US/ anti Bush thoughts. Just WTF do you know?
A waste of lives?? You are treading on thin ice. How disrespectful can you get! Those soldiers were killed FIGHTING (as you sit back and criticise their deaths with a Big Mac shoved half way down your throat!) They had more guts than you can ever dream of having. Trade in your Coke for a Zam-Zam if you are so anti American!
What is happening in Iraq and other regions, is securing a more safe environment for our future generations. Would you rather have us sit back and do nothing? Then when the SHTF, you and your ilk would be crying 'why did you not do anything'!
FL, talk is cheap. Opinions are one thing, but if you want to insult true warriors, and spout anti-American propaganda, perhaps its time to pack it in here and go elsewhere, where you comments can be digested with those of your same views. I find your words nausiating to say the least.
Considering from 11 Sep onwards, there has been many changes in our free part of the world. The US has acted accordingly, and coming 7 yrs later, the party has not even begun yet.
America view has not been wrecked. There has always been anti-Americanisms, the world is full of many, just waiting to get on the anti US bandwagon. The US has been critisised for numerous things over the years. They did not enter WW1 on the ground until July 1917, or WW2 until two yrs and three months after we went at it on our own. However without them the war may not have been won, especially in the Pacific Theatre.
Korea, Viet Nam, South and Central America, Panama, Somalia, FRY, A-Stan, Iraq, and whatever other places I have missed, or covert missions unknown, without the US, the free world, the west are in great danger form many who hate us (including Canada). The world would a different place without our American neighbours, and I mean different as much more dangerous to us all.
Feel lucky you can have say what you wish, as in other countries right now, you would be in gaol being torturted, then disappear.
Thats a fact!
Can't wait to hear your opinion when Iran is next on the chopping block (and it will be).
As for me, I am not pro-Bush, nor pro American, but I stand on a side which I feel delivers, and has made the right decision, and has the BALLZ to carry things out where others would cower, and take heed to the snivel libertarian bleeding heart granola eating left. Refusal to admit there is a problem and sit back and do nothing is the worst thing that can be done. This buys the enemy time in training, funding, planning, coordination, and action.